TOUR-PRINT HELP file (Use with TOUR20.COM AND .DOC)  
Prepared by Sysop, FOG Board #29, 25 June 1985.

The following six files are needed:  
	TOUR20.COM	TOUR20.DOC  
	MAKETINI.COM	MAKETINI.DOC
	ROFFTOUR.COM	ROFFTOUR.DOC  


THIS HELP FILE IS A COMPILATION OF THE MESSAGES THAT
HAVE BEEN ENTERED ON THE BOARD IN REFERENCE TO THE
PRINTING OF A TOUR FILE AND SHOULD ANSWER MOST OF THE
QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.  SEVERAL INTRIM MESSAGES HAD  
BEEN DELETED, BUT, THESE SHOULD HELP. 


Msg #185 posted 05/07/85  by MARC OLDER
To: JEFF TITON     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (9 lines)

I have received and tried Tour and it looks
promising.  One problem though, I can't get 
Roff to print to my printer.  It comes through
on the screen ( I think) but it does not 
print.  I have tried using the } as in 
A> ROFF CALANDAR.1 }
My printer is serial, if that makes any difference
Any help will be appreciated.
                    MARC


Msg #191 posted 05/09/85  by MARC OLDER
To: Jeff Titon     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (7 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

I will try your suggestion.  I was under
the impression that there are . (period) codes
produced by TOUR that activate the indenting
in ROFFTOUR, that is why I didn't try the 
other printing techiques.  
Thanks again for riding to the rescue.
                Marc


Msg #209 posted 05/17/85  by MARC OLDER
To: Jeff Titon     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (9 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

Nsweep does not work for me.  Printer produces
a series of question mark.  Connect light
blinks similar to when printer is on and
computer is off.  I am wrong to think the 
printed output should look like the screen
output, with indents and all?  When 
rofftour prints to screen, there are numbers
showing outline sequence, but no indentions.
Standing by   Marc


Msg #218 posted 05/20/85  by Jeff Titon
To: MARC OLDER     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (16 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

Marc,
        The printed output should look like
the screen output with indents as long as
you edit the file with Wordstar in the N
mode or with VDO (or VDO2a, or one of the
versions of VDE that works for you) and put
in the head dot commands at the top of the
file (see the Rofftour doc for how to do
this).  Otherwise it will print out without
the indents.  I'm not at all sure why New-
sweep won't print it out for you.  It does
for me.  How are you processing your Tour
file with Rofftour before printing?  I.e.,
what command are you giving Rofftour?
Maybe that's your problem.  Let me know.
Best, Jeff


Msg #219 posted 05/20/85  by Jeff Titon
To: Marc Older     About: Getting Rofftour to Print  (15 lines)

Marc,
        After thinking a bit I came up with one
more possibility.  If all else fails, process
your Tour-created outline file with ROFFTOUR
using the following command sequence:
  ROFFTOUR <FILENAME.TYP> >FILENAME.DOC
        for example, if your file that you
saved after making an outline with Tour is
called OLDER.OUT then you'd type the
following command at the A> prompt:
  ROFFTOUR OLDER.OUT >OLDER.DOC
        Now try printing that with WordStar
or NewSweep or VDO or VDE.  If that doesn't
work maybe it's your printer setup.  Good
luck, Jeff


Msg #220 posted 05/20/85  by Jeff Titon
To: Sysop     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (15 lines)

John,
In case people are having trouble getting
ROFFTOUR to print, suggest the following if
all else fails.  Take the file created by
TOUR and process with ROFFTOUR as follows:
  ROFFTOUR <FILENAME.TYP> >FILENAME.DOC
e.g., if you have an outline file from Tour
that you've named SMITH.OUT then at the A>
type ROFFTOUR SMITH.OUT >SMITH.DOC
  That should process the file for printing,
though it can be edited for fancier printing.
It should be printable with NewSweep, WordStar,
VDO, VDE, etc.--remember it's an ASCII file.
Hope this helps,
Jeff


Msg #227 posted 05/21/85  by MARC OLDER
To: Jeff Titon     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (15 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

What dot commands do I add in wordstar?  Yes I am
rofftouring before printing using the folowing form
ROFFTOUR APA.TOR +>APA.WS1 Then I get a wordstar 
file that I look at under N, but haven't tried
to edit, that looks like this:
1. TEXT
1.1 Text
1.1.1. text
etc. etc.  but as this is an outline of a 
paper I am trying to sell, I really need the
indents so it is understandable to non-scientists
Let me know about the dot commands that will make
it work.  Also, what about doing a ^P before going
into TOUR and using SUBTREE command to get a 
print out?


Msg #229 posted 05/22/85  by Jeff Titon
To: MARC OLDER     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (23 lines)

Marc,
Your ROFFTOUR'd file is fine.  Now go into
WordStar in the "N" mode and edit as you like.
The hard way would be to do the indents by 
hand, using the tab and space bar controls.
There is a way to get it to print out with
indents, though, by using dot commands, and
I'll have to check the documentation to see
exactly how.  It may be on some documentation
other than the ROFFTOUR.DOC file.  When the
original TOUR (1.0) came out there were some
user-generated help files that were floating
around, and it may be that one of those holds
the key.  I'll check and get back to uou.  In
the meantime you can just hand-edit, as it 
were, with WS, time-consuming as it is.  The
best part of TOUR is in getting the ideas 
down; printing isn't as easy as it should be.
But I've been able to get the indents to work
from ROFFTOUR and will try to go back and 
figure out how.  
All best,
Jeff


Msg #230 posted 05/23/85  by MARC OLDER
To: Jeff Titon     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO PRINT (2 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

JEFF:  Thanks again.  I will stay tuned
Marc


Msg #231 posted 05/23/85  by Jeff Titon
To: MARC OLDER     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO INDENT (29 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

Marc,
I just reread the ROFFTOUR.DOC file and found
what I was looking for.  Read section 2.3,
"Page Formatting for Heading Labels."  Note the
dot commands .d1, .d2, etc.  Here's how to use
this.  First, take the TOUR outline you've 
made prior to ROFFTOURing and edit it in the
N mode of WS.  You'll see all those .sl's and
.hl's etc.  Now, at the top of the file enter
the .d dot commands that you want.  For indent
ing, .d4 and .d5 are the commands.  Suppose
you want to indent every subhead and its text.
Use the command .d4 <# spaces to indent> to
do this.  For example, the command
.d4 3
should indent subheads and text 3 spaces.
Make sure to put these dot commands at the
beginning of the file.  You can then use
ROFFTOUR to process the TOUR file according
to the ROFFTOUR command I suggested a few
days ago (if all else fails) and you should
get your indentations.  Also, look at page 3
of the doc file, and at the section beginning,
"Using Roff you can make nice printouts..."
This is a section giving elaborate instructions
on designing the printed page.  I haven't tried
them all.  Experiment...
All the best,
Jeff


Msg #231 posted 05/23/85  by Jeff Titon
To: MARC OLDER     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO INDENT (29 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

Marc,
I just reread the ROFFTOUR.DOC file and found
what I was looking for.  Read section 2.3,
"Page Formatting for Heading Labels."  Note the
dot commands .d1, .d2, etc.  Here's how to use
this.  First, take the TOUR outline you've 
made prior to ROFFTOURing and edit it in the
N mode of WS.  You'll see all those .sl's and
.hl's etc.  Now, at the top of the file enter
the .d dot commands that you want.  For indent
ing, .d4 and .d5 are the commands.  Suppose
you want to indent every subhead and its text.
Use the command .d4 <# spaces to indent> to
do this.  For example, the command
.d4 3
should indent subheads and text 3 spaces.
Make sure to put these dot commands at the
beginning of the file.  You can then use
ROFFTOUR to process the TOUR file according
to the ROFFTOUR command I suggested a few
days ago (if all else fails) and you should
get your indentations.  Also, look at page 3
of the doc file, and at the section beginning,
"Using Roff you can make nice printouts..."
This is a section giving elaborate instructions
on designing the printed page.  I haven't tried
them all.  Experiment...
All the best,
Jeff


Msg #253 posted 05/30/85  by Jerry Maloney
To: Jeff Titon     About: USING ROFFTOUR (13 lines)

Jeff
     I've been following the discussion on print-
ing with ROFFTOUR. It makes me feel good to know 
that I'm not the only one having some problems.
Just to let you know I, and my friend, want to 
thank you for providing this program to us on the 
board, its things like that and the back and forth
on the hows and wherefors that makes having a PC
more than just an isolated thing. I find that in
sharing the problems and the "amswers" more reward-
ing than suffering alone. 
Again thank you, and I hope to one day return the
favor.        Jerry


Msg #272 posted 06/05/85  by Jeff Titon
To: MARC OLDER     About: GETTING ROFFTOUR TO INDENT (2 lines)

[Reply to msg #185]

Marc, Good luck; it should work.  Let me
know what happened.  Best, Jeff


Msg #273 posted 06/05/85  by Jeff Titon
To: Jerry Maloney     About: USING ROFFTOUR (5 lines)

[Reply to msg #253]

Jerry, Thanks for your thanks.  I think by now
the problems should have been answered re 
getting Rofftour to print.  Let me know if
you're still having trouble.  It's a great
program (Tour).  Best, Jeff

