FPGA VAX update
henk.gooijen at oce.com
Thu Nov 3 07:19:23 CST 2005
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> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Holger Veit
> Sent: donderdag 3 november 2005 14:08
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> Subject: Re: FPGA VAX update
> woodelf wrote:
> > Bjørn Vermo wrote:
> >> Apple comes to mind. You can pick up a G4 really cheap these days.
> >> Whether you want to run BSD (OS X) or Linux is a matter of taste.
> >> IBM have some PPc development systems (Walnut if I recall right)
> >> which can run both Linux and QNX, but I have no idea how
> to get one
> >> or what they sell for.
> > I guess nobody even considers building a computer from scratch. :(
> About thirty years ago, when I was pretty much younger :-), I
> built a classical TTL computer (with 74181 ALUs etc.) almost
> from scratch, basically from schematic fragments from the TTL
> databook and TTL cookbook and some electronics magazines;
> well - if it were really from scratch, then even so "highly
> integrated chips" like the 74181 were prohibited as well.
> Looking back, this had almost all characteristics of a real computer.
> There are two aspects IMHO why this does no longer happen today:
> - what was a known magazine in the past, would today perhaps
> realistically called "Un-Popular Electronics", the knowledge
> of electronics from the ground up is dying out; and with the
> continuing "digitalization" of technology, it is an ever
> increasing hurdle to get started - the classical AM detector
> radio I built as a newbie will nowadays no longer attract
> anyone - you can get a gadget which is better by several
> magnitudes for a fraction of the expenses you'd have for
> soldering your thing.
> - The tools you have are too user friendly (!); i.e. you
> could rather easily click something together, be it software
> or VHDL code for an FPGA without ever needing to understand
> what is really going on. The "soul of a new machine" guys
> that traced glitches with a logic analyzer in a large
> wire-wrapped TTL graveyard are gone - such a machine had the
> necessary wow factor. No surprise when a VAX in an FPGA - see
> subject - is not really interesting. It is possible - that's
> it. But what does one gain? It is like solving a 10000 pieces
> puzzle; spend time and don't learn really much.
> When Hillary climbed the Mount Everest 50 years ago, it was
> something new, extraordinary. When tourist nowadays use sort
> of stairways to reach the top (okay, it's not *that* extreme
> now), it is just uninteresting.
> But standing on the top, is still a challenge and an
> experience for the individual. However, what we lost now is a
> sense of wonder - that small ALU based TTL circuit was built
> by myself, and I did it, and it is irrelevant that some idiot
> could download a digital simulator and click the same circuit
> together on a PC screen. I guess this is what makes the
> difference between a real PDP-11 with some ridiculous 5MB
> storage disks compared to a SIMH emulator running on a 3GHz Pentium.
> Watch the blinkenlights.
Actually, I don't need to comment on this. Being a HAM radio amateur,
I did built a diode detector with a high-impedance headphone and a
varco plus coil. The experience *I made that*, and the first time
you hear a radio station are unforgettable impressions.
To add to your last sentence: I agree, but I have built something
that sits "in between". I use the SIMH software, but *added* a real
blinkenlight console! See my website. I do have several real PDP-11
models, but the blinkenlight SIMH is fun too (well, sort of).
Perhaps most of the fun was building it ...
- Henk, PA8PDP.
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