identifying PC Simms
ikvsabre at comcast.net
Sun Oct 9 21:43:29 CDT 2005
Hey, thanks for the info. I followed your advice, and determined that I have 16x 4MB-SIMM (parity) 70ns
Not much street value anymore, I know, but better 4MB than 1BM :-)
On 9/29/2005 at 9:19 PM Jeff Walther wrote:
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>>Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:53:00 -0400
>>From: "Joe Stevenson" <ikvsabre at comcast.net>
>>I have 16 30-pin simms left over from various past incarnations of
>>my PCs, and I'm
>> trying to figure out what I've got.
>> I no longer have a motherboard to test them, so I have no idea what is
>>Is there any not-to-painless way to figure out what I've got?
>Not all that painless, but the only way I know that works...
>Take a SIMM. Count the number of chips. Find the model markings on
>one of the chips. There are usually two or three lines of writing on
>a chip. One of these will be a date or batch code and is irrelevant.
>The line you want will start with a one, two or three (usually two)
>character manufacturer code (e.g., K or KM for Samsung, TC for
>Toshiba, M(numeral)M for Mitsubishi, HM or HN for Hitachi, etc.),
>followed by some longish, about four to eight, alphanumeric code
>which is mostly numerals, then a dash or space and a speed number in
>nanoseconds, which may or may not have the trailing zero truncated.
>For example: HM5116400BS-8, MSM511000C-7, KM44C16100B-5, TC514400AJ-6.
>Then go to a datasheet archive such as
><http://www.datasheetarchive.com/> and enter the part number in the
>search field. It often helps to truncate the trailing characters
>back to the first number in the body. E.g. HM5116400, MSM511000,
>The datasheet will tell you the capacity and organization of the
>chip. For example, a 1 MB 30 pin SIMM with eight chips on it will be
>composed of 1M X 1 chips. These have one million addresses with 1
>bit at each address. Eight of them working in parallel provide 1
>million addresses with eight bits at each address or 1 megabyte.
>Multiply the total capacity of the chip by the number of chips on the
>SIMM. Remember that you're working with bits here, not bytes.
>Divide by 8 and you've got the capacity in megabytes--except...
>Some SIMMs are parity SIMM and they are based on 9 bits of data
>rather than 8 bits of data, so you'll need to divide that capacity by
>9, not by eight for a parity SIMM. A 30 pin parity SIMM will have
>nine or three chips instead of eight or two, so they're fairly easy
>However, a three chip 30 pin SIMM will have two chips with a certain
>capacity and a third chip with 1/4 the capacity or either of the
>other two. In this case, calculate the total capacity of the two
>larger chips and divide by eight. Or find the capacity in bits of
>one big chip and divide by four.
>In most cases, if the SIMM has eight or nine chips, then the capacity
>in bytes is equal to the number of addresses any of the chips
>supports (see the datasheet). If the SIMM has three chips, then the
>capacity in bytes is still equal to the number of address which any
>of the three chips supports.
>For example, you find a three chip SIMM with two 4M X 4 chips and one
>4M X 1 chip on board. The capacity of this SIMM is 4MB or 4
>Megabytes. You find a SIMM with eight or nine 4M X 1 chips on board,
>its capacity is also 4MB.
>The real trick is figureing out the capacity of the chips from the
>markings on them. Google searches sometimes help, but often (almost
>always) just lead you to chip distributers spamming the search engine
>space with part numbers to lead part searches to their sites. They
>often don't even have the chip in question, and rarely have any
>useful information available on their website.
>SIMMs that can steer you wrong are composite SIMMs where groups of
>smaller capacity chips are used to build a higher capacity SIMM. For
>example, building a 16 MB 30 pin SIMM out of eight 4M X 4 chips.
>These are rare and should be easily identified because there should
>be a non-memory chip on board to handle the address translations.
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