Common items you passed up that turned rare when you wanted them

Dwight Elvey dwight.elvey at
Tue Jan 31 13:27:21 CST 2006

>From: "Richard" <legalize at>
>In article <43DFACB5.4000904 at>,
>    Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel <jos.mar at>  writes:
>> > Ooh!  A Lilith.  I lucked out and have 4 main units, but I need docs,
>> > and information on hooking up keyboards, mice and monitors.  I think
>> > the monitors are special for the Lilith.  What did you get besides the
>> > main unit?
>> Richard,
>> yours are Eves, the followup on the Lilith.
>Yes, I should have been more specific, my mistake :-).  At least a
>couple of them are Eves, I am not 100% certain that all of them are
>Eves because I didn't do a board inventory on all the units.  I have
>about 10-15 spare boards besides the 4 main units that I have, so if
>someone needs one for a board swap (shhhhhh don't tell Tony Duell :-)
>drop me an email.
>> Keyboard, mice and monitors are indeed special to the Lilith.
>> The keyboard has a serial, straight ASCII output and goes to the 
>> monitor. In the monitor is a serial to parallel convertor and the 
>> keyboard data then goes in parallel to the main unit !
>Holy shit, that's crazy!  I thought it was a straight serial ASCII
>into the box.  Well that puts the bamboozle on my idea of just hooking
>up a keyboard to it straight!  I do have one monitor.  I haven't tried
>to power it up, but written on the case is the word "DIM", presumably
>identifying a failure in the monitor somewhere.  I've never repaired
>monitors, so I'm not sure what a dim image is suppose to indicate.
>Failing HV drive circuitry?

 HV would cause blooming of the image. Dim image is weak cathode
in the tube or problems in the circuits controlling the cathode
to gate voltage levels.

>> The mouse is a 3 key straight quadrature output thingie.
>Do you have any ideas on what kind of commercially available mice
>would be compatible?
>> The (external) floppy is very particular: it has an Apple II floppy 
>> controller card, a small 6502 motherboard in which the apple floppy unit 
>> plugs and a serial connection .
>Umm... mine don't have floppy drives :-).  It looks like they have
>been fitted with SCSI interfaces, SCSI hard drives and Bernoulli Box
>removable cartridge drives.
>> The backplane has a 200 contact connector, the force required to insert 
>> PCB is incredible.
>Yeah, I notice that when looking in the unit I have that is missing
>its power supply.
>> My Lilih is once again playing up, I will have to bite the bullet and 
>> draw the schematics. Cheap IC sockets might play a role, but 
>> substituting a few hundred of them is also a PITA.
>Woo hoo!  Docs would be great as these machines came to me with no
>information, but plenty of hardware.  I also have several complete
>sets of video, etc., cabling, so if someone needs cables give me a
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