cctech Digest, Vol 42, Issue 53

Larry lehman lrl at crisis.com
Wed Feb 21 12:22:36 CST 2007


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>    1. Pair of 19" rack mount Emulex HD's available....
>       (Curt - Atari Museum)
>    2. VCF East 4.0, another update... (Evan Koblentz)
>    3. Re: New DEC museum entry :D (Jules Richardson)
>    4. Re: HPIB [was Re: Kennedy to PC interface...] (der Mouse)
>    5. Looking For DEC TTY Connectors (O. Sharp)
>    6. Re: NeXT external CDROM drive (Gavin Thomas Nicol)
>    7. Re: Pair of 19" rack mount Emulex HD's available....
>       (William Donzelli)
>    8. Re: Turbodos on a Horizon 8/16 system (Jim Battle)
>    9. Re: HPIB [was Re: Kennedy to PC interface...] (Chuck Guzis)
>   10. Re: New DEC museum entry :D (Bob Bradlee)
>   11. Re: NeXT external CDROM drive (r.stricklin)
>   12. Re: Turbodos on a Horizon 8/16 system (Chuck Guzis)
>   13. Re: Looking For DEC TTY Connectors (Brent Hilpert)
>   14. Re: database of PC software release dates? (Jim Leonard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:42:16 -0500
> From: Curt - Atari Museum <curt at atarimuseum.com>
> Subject: Pair of 19" rack mount Emulex HD's available....
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <45DBA378.6000807 at atarimuseum.com>
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> I'm cleaning out one of my storage units, I was given a pair of 19" Rack
> mountable Emulex HD's (SMD) when I purchased some Vax equipment.    If
> anyone in the area (Carmel, NY 10512) wants them, they are yours for
> free, just come and pick them up.
>
>
>
> Curt
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:11:57 -0500
> From: "Evan Koblentz" <evan at snarc.net>
> Subject: VCF East 4.0, another update...
> To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm getting an early start on signing up VCF East exhibitors / vendors /
> speakers.  If you're interested and not already on our local (MARCH) list,
> then please contact me off-list.
>
> - Evan
>
> -----------------------------
>
> Prior update: In addition to Chuck Peddle, our panel (in the morning of
June
> 9) will feature Bil Herd, Bob Russell, and Dave Haynie .... Along with
> several of the early models (and even some ultra-rare prototypes) on
display
> .... In case the panelists have a sudden urge to demo anything.  ALSO:
there
> WILL be a second day!   The official dates are now June 9-10.
>
> Location: InfoAge Science Center (www.infoage.org), Wall, N.J. ....
> Sponsored once again by MARCH (www.midatlanticretro.org).
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:25:08 -0600
> From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: New DEC museum entry :D
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <45DBBB94.1040205 at yahoo.co.uk>
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>
> Tony Duell wrote:
> > My first thougth is that it is a mains filter capacitor that's breaking
> > down. Some of them are designed to be 'self healing' in that if the
> > dielectric breaks down, the current will then vapourise the metal in
that
> > area, causing the capacitor to carry on working. Of course that was
> > before the days of those over-sensitive RCDs, etc.
>
> This is where we find there's a temperature-controlled fan or somesuch in
the
> machine which kicks in after a few minutes and for some reason causes the
PSU
> to throw a wobbly...
>
> Agreed - weird problem.
>
> Out of interest, if you power the machine up and then immediately power it
> down normally (before it's had the chance to do so itself :) does it still
> upset the house mains? Just asking as maybe that's something you haven't
tried
> yet...
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:15:39 -0500 (EST)
> From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA>
> Subject: Re: HPIB [was Re: Kennedy to PC interface...]
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <200702210331.WAA14994 at Sparkle.Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA>
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>
> >> Is there anyone here who knows enough about typical HPIB hardware of
> >> the hp300 era to be able to take a list of chip markings and tell me
> >> which one is probably the relevant driver?
> > What I would do is trace back from the data pins of the HPIB
> > connector (IIRC that's pins 1-4 and 13-16 of the 24 pin Microribbon
> > connector).  On most modern-ish machines (anything since the 9830
> > :-)), there is only one chip connected to those lines, and that's the
> > HPIN data buffer.
>
> Then I guess this isn't modern-ish. :-)  The suspect hardware is a
> 98625A; what tracing I've managed to do seems to lead back to four
> 16-pin DIPs labeled with an HP code (1820-2058, to be specific).
>
> > One common type is the 75160, which comes in a 20 pin DIL package, or
> > I guess some kind of SMD thing.
>
> This hardware is entirely through-hole DIP.  Not a suface-mount part in
> sight.  Fairly low-density through-hole DIP, too - on a board measuring
> 17x14 cm, there are only 31 chips: one of 48 pins, three of 20 pins,
> fourteen of 16 pins, and and thirteen of 14 pins (well, thirteen 14-pin
> DIP packages; I think two are resistor packs rather than logic), plus
> two ten-pin SIP resistor packs, a two-switch DIP switch bank, a
> five-switch DIP switch bank, a small pot, four discrete resistors,
> seventeen discrete capacitors, and a crystal oscillator.  Oh, and
> card-edge fingers on one side and a back panel with an HPIB connector
> on the other.
>
> /~\ The ASCII der Mouse
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:17:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: "O. Sharp" <ohh at drizzle.com>
> Subject: Looking For DEC TTY Connectors
> To: cctech at classiccmp.org
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>
> Hey, all:
>
> I'm looking for two pair of the sort-of-Molex-like connectors DEC used for
> connecting Teletypes to minis in the late '60s/early '70s. A DEC drawing
> designates them as "Mate-n-Lock" connectors, T04915; my web search for
> them turned up a lot of connectors, but not this type. Here's a photo of
> a set, if it helps:
>
>    http://flyingmoose.org/tty_conn.jpg
>
> Are these still manufactured? Does anyone have two sets in spares, or
> otherwise know where I can find a couple?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help!
>
>               -O.-
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:55:13 -0500
> From: Gavin Thomas Nicol <gtn at mind-to-mind.com>
> Subject: Re: NeXT external CDROM drive
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <A58D76CB-D823-4D72-B536-BA31865D6DAA at mind-to-mind.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Jules Richardson wrote:
>
> > I'm interested to know whether the case styling was done in-house
> > (and so is in keeping with the rest of the product line) or whether
> > it was just an off-the-shelf unit.
>
> It's essentially a badge-engineered Apple external CD. I have a few
> of both... mostly because the Apple parts are 100% the same so I use
> them to repair the NeXT drives. I can dig up the appropriate model
> numbers if you want.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:07:30 -0500
> From: "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Pair of 19" rack mount Emulex HD's available....
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID:
> <e1d20d630702202107w1cf12a39jfe3834af92963ae6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> > I'm cleaning out one of my storage units, I was given a pair of 19" Rack
> > mountable Emulex HD's (SMD) when I purchased some Vax equipment.    If
> > anyone in the area (Carmel, NY 10512) wants them, they are yours for
> > free, just come and pick them up.
>
> I need these like a hole in the head - but if available...
>
> --
> Will
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:23:59 -0600
> From: Jim Battle <frustum at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: Turbodos on a Horizon 8/16 system
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <45DBD76F.4040409 at pacbell.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Continuing my story of trying to recover the contents of the hard drive
> in my Horizon 8/16 system, I took Dave Dunfield's advice and wrote a
> small program to read each sector from the hard drive and dump it.  30
> MB of disk data at 9600 baud, printed as ASCII hex.  It took a while.
>
> The mystery remains -- what is it?
>
> There is no plain-text to be found anywhere ... not even accidental
> sequences.  I thought that perhaps it is a lot of binary data.  Some of
> it must be code.  Searching the hex for "CD0500" (which is "CALL 0005",
> the CP/M call vector) has no hits.
>
> I know the disk is good because I can write a sector and read back what
> I wrote.  The non-destructive drive tests (basically read each sector
> and see if any errors crop up) pass.
>
> Even stripping the msb produces blocks of data that look like the
> following text.  "." represents unprintable characters.
>
> ........."E..(P @.....'N.:tiS'N.
> 9rdI.&M.6mZ4hQ"D..#G..:tiS'O.<xp
> aB... A....,Y3gO.>}ztiS&M.7n]:ti
> R$I.%J.)R%K.,Y2eJ.)R$H.#F..4hP @
> .....1bD..$I.&L.0aC...9reJ.(Q#F.
> .7n\8p`@.....-[7o_>|ysfM.7n\8qcG
> ..<xqbE..(P!B...&M.4hQ#G..?~}{w
> o^={vmZ5jT(Q"D..%K./^<xpaB...%J.
> (P!C...;vlX0aB...+W.]:thP!C...5k
> W/^<xqcF..5kW.];vmZ5jU+V,Y3fM.5k
> W/_>|ysfM.6lX0aC...<yreJ.)S&M.4i
> S&M.4hP!C...7n];vlY3fL.2dI.$I.$I
> .%J.+V,X1cF..1bE..*T(P @........
> ..9sgO.={wn];wo^=zthP @.......>}
> {vmZ4iS&L.2eJ.*U*T(P A....9rdH.!
> B...%J.)S'O.?~}ztiS'O.>|xqbE..(P
>
> This is a typical block, one of almost 60K.
>
> You prefer hex?  OK, here is another block:
>
> ; TRACK #031A, SECTOR #000C
> 010202060405000102F4E8D0A1428408102143870E1C3972E5CB962D5BB66DDB
> B76EDDBA75EAD5AA55AA54A952A54B972F5FBE7CF9F2E4C8902040800103060D
> 1B376FDFBF7FFEFCF8F1E2C58A142953A64C983162C488102143860C183162C4
> 88102143870F1E3D7BF6ECD9B265CB972E5CB972E5CB962D5BB76EDCB972E5CB
> 972E5DBA74E8D1A2448912254B972E5CB972E4C8902143870E1C3972E5CB962D
> 5AB56BD6AC58B061C2850B172E5CB871E2C58B172F5FBE7CF9F2E4C89123468C
> 193366CD9A356AD5AB57AF5FBE7DFAF5EAD4A953A64C983163C78E1D3A75EAD4
> A953A74F9E3D7AF4E9D2A54B972E5CB972E5CB972F5FBF7EFDFBF7EEDCB973E6
> CD9A356AD4A851A2458B172E5CB972E5CA942851A2448913274E9D3A74E9D3A7
> 4E9D3B76EDDAB56BD7AE5CB973E6CD9B366CD8B163C78E1D3A74E9D3A74E9C38
> 70E1C3860D1B376EDDBA74E8D0A143870F1F3F7EFDFAF4E9D3A74F9F3E7DFBF6
> ECD8B163C68D1A356AD5AB57AE5CB871E2C58A142953A64C993264C89123478F
> 1E3C79F3E7CF9E3D7BF7EFDFBE7DFBF6ECD9B265CA942851A3478F1E3D7BF6ED
> DBB66DDAB469D2A4499224489122448913264D9B376FDEBD7AF4E8D0A0408001
> 020408102040800103060C183162C4881122458A152A55AA54A850A142840912
> 2448902143860D1B376EDCB973E6CD9B376FDFBF7EFDFAF5EAD4A850A0418205
>
> I suppose it might be 8086 binary, as turbodos supported both Z80 and
> 8086 CPUs in the system, even mixed, but then again, my machine only has
> Z80s, no 8086s.
>
> Unless a genius comes along and recognizes this, I'm going to wipe the
> drive, install TurboDOS, and not look back.
>
> Finally, I have to give kudos to Dave Dunfield for his great NST
> utilities and his floppy disk archive.  It allowed me to mint some new
> NSDOS and CP/M images for the machine after my only CP/M boot disk got
> trashed.
>
> http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:47:56 -0800
> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
> Subject: Re: HPIB [was Re: Kennedy to PC interface...]
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <45DB6C8C.26193.21EE3100 at cclist.sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 21 Feb 2007 at 2:25, Tony Duell wrote:
>
> > There aren't that many HPIB buffer chips in common use. There's the TI
> > set (75160/75161/75162), the HP custom one, the various Motorola ones (I
> > forget the numbers), the Intel one (8293), and that's about it. Oh,
> > there's the kludge way, using open-collector TTL as drivers (or before
> > that, discrete transistors), and 7414's as receivers.
>
> If you're communicating to a single device, it's possible to use a PC
> paralell port (particularly a bidirectional one) to do the job.  A
> very long time ago, I needed to draw a color pie chart.  I had a copy
> of Supercalc and a friend loaned me an HP 5-pen (IIRC) plotter that
> he'd picked up at the going-out-of-business sale of the Control Data
> retail stores.  I had a PC XT at the time.  The problem was that the
> plotter was GPIB only.
>
>  I hacked the parallel port on the IBM MDA to do bidirectional I/O
> (easy--just a cut and a jumper).  I wrote a TSR that hooked the
> parallel port BIOS interrupt and translated the codes intended for a
> parallel-interface plotter to GPIB strings.  I told Supercalc that it
> was driving the parallel-port version of the plotter and bingo--I had
> my charts.
>
> You can probably still find the code in one of the SIMTEL archives,
> but I can't remember what I called it--something like LPTHPIB, IIRC.
>
> Cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:11:02 -0500
> From: "Bob Bradlee" <caveguy at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: New DEC museum entry :D
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <200702210611.l1L6B9w2044544 at keith.ezwind.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:47:05 +0000, Adrian Graham wrote:
>
> >On 20/2/07 21:48, "Tony Duell" <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> THat's an odd fault. It's repeatable, yes? In other words you turn it
on,
> >> it runs for 5 minutes, then trips the mains. You cna then power it
down,
> >> power it up again and it'll run for another 5 minutes...
>
> >Yep. Every time. I haven't timed it exactly, but it will run for minutes
> >then give up; last night I had enough time to start playing with DCL and
> >leave it for a bit while I dug a manual out. Then everything went black
:)
> >
>
> I had a problem like that, where I had a rack that was drawing close to
the limit on a 20 amp breaker,
> when I added the last system to the stack the problem began, after a few
minutes of runtime the breaker
> would heat up and pop, I swaped the breaker out with a different one of
the same size and it that held just
> fine. The circuit I moved the week breaker to, normally only runs 7 or 8
amps and it never failed with the
> light load.
>
> I had a second breaker problem. After an extended power failure, I found
that the circuit would not carry
> both the normal startup load with the additional of 2 large UPS's at full
charge rate on near dead batteries
> during startup. Just about the time everything booted and came back up,
the breaker would have heated
> up and poped. I pulled the external battery packs off, and let them charge
the internal batteries first and
> then added one external pack at a time, untill I could get a larger
circuit run to the rack.
>
> While you are at it, you might want to take a clamp on amp meter and
balance the load between phases.
> You may be pulling more power on one phase. If you pull the voltage down
on one side or phase with an
> unballanced load, the current load will go up and breakers will be more
likely to overheat and pop.
>
> I was in a 3 phase box just yesterday that was running 17a, 23a, and 37a
on each of the 3 phases.
> The electric company bills based on the max load on any single phase, by
moving about 10a of load from
> phase 3 to phase 1, we dropped the billable load the electric company sees
from 37a to 27a, close to a
> third. That should look good on next months electric bill.
>
> Just a thought, back under my rock ....
> The other Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:28:37 -0800
> From: "r.stricklin" <bear at typewritten.org>
> Subject: Re: NeXT external CDROM drive
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <2877027B-F289-42E9-A222-3E9BD7889ACC at typewritten.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Jules Richardson wrote:
>
> > I'm interested to know whether the case styling was done in-house
> > (and so is in keeping with the rest of the product line) or whether
> > it was just an off-the-shelf unit.
>
> It's physically identical to the caddy-load 2x Sony OEM unit that
> made the rounds as (for example) the Apple CD300 and DEC RRD42,
> except for the black casing, black plastics, and NeXT logo pasted up
> front.
>
> ok
> bear
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:32:48 -0800
> From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
> Subject: Re: Turbodos on a Horizon 8/16 system
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <45DB7710.24809.22174537 at cclist.sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 20 Feb 2007 at 23:23, Jim Battle wrote:
>
> > 010202060405000102F4E8D0A1428408102143870E1C3972E5CB962D5BB66DDB
> > B76EDDBA75EAD5AA55AA54A952A54B972F5FBE7CF9F2E4C8902040800103060D
> > 1B376FDFBF7FFEFCF8F1E2C58A142953A64C983162C488102143860C183162C4
> > 88102143870F1E3D7BF6ECD9B265CB972E5CB972E5CB962D5BB76EDCB972E5CB
> > 972E5DBA74E8D1A2448912254B972E5CB972E4C8902143870E1C3972E5CB962D
> > 5AB56BD6AC58B061C2850B172E5CB871E2C58B172F5FBE7CF9F2E4C89123468C
> > 193366CD9A356AD5AB57AF5FBE7DFAF5EAD4A953A64C983163C78E1D3A75EAD4
> > A953A74F9E3D7AF4E9D2A54B972E5CB972E5CB972F5FBF7EFDFBF7EEDCB973E6
> > CD9A356AD4A851A2458B172E5CB972E5CA942851A2448913274E9D3A74E9D3A7
> ...
>
> My guess is that this might well be a test pattern.  One obvious clue
> is that there are too many '1' bits for code--either 8086 or
> 8080/Z80.Even complementing the data doesn't produce anything more
> useful.
>
> Cheers,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:40:54 -0800
> From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca>
> Subject: Re: Looking For DEC TTY Connectors
> To: General at priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net,
> "Discussion at priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net":On-Topic and Off-Topic
> Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <45DBE967.6E5C5DF4 at cs.ubc.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> "O. Sharp" wrote:
> > I'm looking for two pair of the sort-of-Molex-like connectors DEC used
for
> > connecting Teletypes to minis in the late '60s/early '70s. A DEC drawing
> > designates them as "Mate-n-Lock" connectors, T04915; my web search for
> > them turned up a lot of connectors, but not this type. Here's a photo of
> > a set, if it helps:
> >
> >    http://flyingmoose.org/tty_conn.jpg
> >
> > Are these still manufactured? Does anyone have two sets in spares, or
> > otherwise know where I can find a couple?
>
> I have half of what you are looking for: about 2-dozen cables, each cable
> being 4-conductor with a connector on one end. The connectors are those
with
> the big flat tab, shown on the left in your photo. The pins in use are the
> same as in your photo (2,3,5 & 7, depending on which end you count from),
so
> presumably these were used for the same purpose.
>
> It's just surplus cable to me, so if it's of any help without the other
> connector, let me know. Location is Vancouver, Canada.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:10:27 -0600
> From: Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org>
> Subject: Re: database of PC software release dates?
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
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> Richard wrote:
> > Is there a database somewhere that attempts to catalog the
> > introduction date of software for the IBM PC and compatibles?
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> www.mobygames.com, but that's only for entertainment software.
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> Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org)            http://www.oldskool.org/
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