PC-Mac SCSI data exchange question

Arno Kletzander Arno_1983 at gmx.de
Fri Feb 29 10:31:21 CST 2008


Ray Arachelian <ray at arachelian.com> wrote:
> There are many ways to go, some twisty, some straightforward:

Whow, that's a lot of ways indeed! Thanks for the comprehensive writeup.
 
> 1 There was a commercial Samba client named "Dave" for Mac OS.  If you 
> can find that, it will do the trick.  Indeed, w2k server will share out 
> AFS, but since you don't have that,  you'll need another path.

I have heard of something similar called "Mocha SMB" which at least would have been shareware, but have hitherto been unable to find it anywhere. This would perhaps be my best bet.

> 2. If you're familiar with Unix (...)
Not yet, and probably not anytime soon.

> (3.) If this is unavailable to you, you could also go with a commercial 
> product such as: http://www.dataviz.com/products/maclinkplus/  -- there 
> are physical dangers here if you're not careful with the drive (static, 
> dropping drive on the floor, miswiring it, damage from a broken external 
> case, etc.) as well as soft dangers here (you might accidentally damage 
> the OS 8 hard drive by writing to it, so be sure you know which drive is 
> which and mount everything read only until you're 100% sure, etc.)

The data is still backed up somewhere else and the OS 8 drive was a fresh install so there's not much to worry about (and yes, I have installed and moved SCSI hard drives in several sorts of machines and enclosures...) but I don't yet understand why I would need a commercial product since OS 8 rather clearly states that it is able to use DOS formatted media - but doesn't go out of its way to point out how (the help "wizard" gets hung in a loop where it repeatedly asks me to select the volume I want to format although it already is).
 
> 4. Other choices, get a machine that runs OS X, perhaps a good old G4 
> with large hard drives, which will allow you to share both AFS and CIFS. 
> 
> 5. Find an old copy of Netware 4.x and build yourself a Netware file 
> server, these too work as a nice file server.  (sigh, brings back old 
> memories of my misspent youth :-)

Two nice ideas for which I might actually even have the hardware (dunno if an iMac is going to take OS X and my HP NetServer LH6000 would be a bitch to set up because it's so huuuge), but both depending on additional commercial software.

> 6. Install NetATalk on a Linux machine and use it as a server (I've not 
> played with this myself, so I've no idea what it does to resource forks)
Linux, see above.

> 7. Turn on an ftp daemon on one of the machines - you could install 
> Cygwin on the w2k machine and run one of the ftpd's on there, or you can 
> find a windows ftp server (i.e. http://www.warftp.org/ )  that will work 
> on w2k workstation - if I remember right, there's a half crippled 
> version of IIS on there which acts as a personal web server - perhaps 
> like it's bigger brother it may have an ftpd.  Or if that's not 
> available, use a third machine that does have an ftpd (Linux, FreeBSD, 
> OpenVMS, etc.) as a go-between.  There are ftp clients for the Mac, and 
> it wouldn't surprise me if you could find an ftpd for OS 8 either ( 
> http://www.pure-mac.com/ftp.html )
The OS 8 install includes Netscape 3.something which just might work as an FTP client, and WarFTP is free, so this is probably what I'm going to try next.
 
> 8.  You could use an scp/ssh client such as NiftyTelnet 
> http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jonasw/freeware/niftyssh/ - which might work 
> on OS 8 (I think it may want OS 9 though) to copy the data over scp to a 
> server that has an sshd (there is one for windows - 
> http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/  )
Totally new stuff to me, too much to learn.

> 9. For 3GB of data, the worst thing you could do is go over a serial 
> port with a terminal program such as ZTerm on one end and HyperTerminal 
> on the windows end.  It's horrible because at most you'll be able to go 
> at 56Kbps and will take forever.
I had already contemplated that but will only use it if all else fails.

> 10. You could go with one of the sneakernet paths: some sort of 
> removable drive such as ZIP, Jazz, CD-R, etc. but you'll need to somehow 
> break up the data into pieces and use a common file system (ISO9660 and 
> its variants for the CD's, FAT16 for the windoze friendly ones, etc.)
This is what I was already trying with that hard disk, but couldn't find a format which both machines could use.

Resource Forks are of no concern since the stuff was all generated and used under Windows until now.
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Arno Kletzander
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