offer - OS/2 for the PDP-11
madodel at ptdprolog.net
Sat Jan 5 14:24:03 CST 2008
> Jules Richardson wrote:
>> jd wrote:
>>> Jules Richardson wrote:
>>>> (Having said that, some ATM machines in the UK ran OS/2 for years after
>>>> it was a dead OS elsewhere - [snipsnip] )
>>> It's been used in some ATM's in the States, too. People have mentioned
>>> getting to the desktop or a shell and manipulating ATM's from there,
>> Weird. I've certainly seen at least one UK ATM fall over and break out
>> of its program (this was quite a few years ago) - but I'm amazed that
>> anyone would design an ATM in such a way that the keypad buttons were
>> directly readable by the native OS for just that reason.
> Considering how naive about physical and electronic security just
> about everyone was then, I would not be at all surprised. This was at
> about the time OS/2 first came out and found it's way into industrial
> equipment, I think. The KISS mentality was still in full effect and
> hardware design for ATM's still consisted of collecting off-the-shelf
> components and tossing them together. An ATM would have just one
> console and that would be the front monitor and keypad, often by
> default, and the rear monitor and keypad or keyboard, if so equipped,
> that would require using a hardware or software switch, like those old
> Inmac KVM-without-the-M switch boxes. Of course, for convenience, it
> was possible to do stuff from the front keypad, such as use a
> maintenance menu. Eventually, when ATM design evolved, such convenient
> features faded into oblivion.
I have never seen an OS/2 based ATM at a command prompt. It must have been
a windoze based ATM. And many ATMs still run OS/2. It is only being
replaced by windoze on new models since IBM refused to support the hardware
>>> Apparently there's nothing better on the shelf.
>> I'd heard that too, but I don't know how much of it's folklore. I
>> suspect these days they all just run MS Windows, and any increase in
>> failure rate is seen to be cheaper to handle than trying to support a
>> 'dead' OS.
> If experience is any indication, I would say it's true. Windows is so
> ubiquitous and people are so accustomed to it breaking that it doesn't
> seem to matter anymore: They're inured to the pain. Or perhaps numb.
> Some people would be helpless without the pain, I suppose, even if it
> saved tons of money to cast the demon out. It's very costly in terms
> of cost of ownership and lost product.
Do a google on BSOD and ATM for lots of photos of windoze based ATMs.
> Word was that IBM was going to give or sell some customers what they
> needed to maintain their copies of OS/2. Since some of their customers
> have invested a lot in installing OS/2 in their
> quarter-to-half-million-dollar-plus-plus-plus products, it does not
> seem likely that they would care to abandon OS/2 for at least a while.
> Especially not after they got things working so nicely. They would at
> least want maintenance--bug fixes, etc. Haven't heard since whether
> IBM actually did give the customers anything.
Large IBM customers have contracted for their own OS/2 source code line
support. IBM refers smaller customers who just need to purchase new
licenses or get support for new hardware to Serenity Systems for their OEM
version of OS/2.
From the eComStation Desktop of: Mark Dodel
Warpstock 2007 - Toronto, Ontario, Canada: http://www.warpstock.org
Warpstock Europe - Valkenswaard close to Eindhoven, the Netherlands:
For a choice in the future of personal computing, Join VOICE -
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the
growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their
democratic State itself. That in it's essence, is Fascism - ownership of
government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling private
power." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Message proposing the Monopoly
More information about the cctalk