"first" computer on the internet
chris at mainecoon.com
Fri Jul 18 13:54:20 CDT 2008
Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> To give you some idea, the ISP I worked with in Sept 1994 had an ARIN
> user registration number 79. Yes, the 79th person to register with
> ARIN. That's pretty damn EARLY!
I think we call all accept that if one defines terms in a tortured
enough way that you can make the semantics fit. The question is whether
anyone else cares to embrace those tortured semantics. For those of us
who had InterNIC handles in the '70s having an early ARIN number is a
> So enough with your stupid jokes and mockery, this isn't a scam or
> slight, it's the real thing, speaking from a public perspective
So it's a "real thing" only in the presence of ignorance?
> Hey I was there in the mid to late 80's using NA-Net, etc as well,
> but that WASN'T the internet. And hey, I was sending "email" via
> university systems back in the mid to late 70's too, but that's not
> what we call "email" today. there wasn't TCP then, at least where I
> was (It was Dec-net and PAX).
RFC793 is dated September 1981. RFC 821 is dated August 1982, well in
advance of the machine in question.
> BTW I helped WRITE TCP-mail, the predecessor to pine/elm, so I think
> I know a bit about what I'm talking about.
The lineage of a specific *client* defines email? Who wants to break
the news to Mr. Allman?
> And yes, I know there was other stuff too, in the 80s, networking
> like Envoy, but that too, wasn't the Internet.
Then what, prey, is the "Internet"? Certainly there's nothing about the
networking stack or applications that were available in the Sun4 family
that were not available in the Sun3 family that would been heralded as a
> I think there are two aspects, the research network, NA-Net, Arpanet
> and so forth, and what we, the public now refer to as the Internet.
> Sure the worlds FIRST website was built 6 August 1991 but that's not
> when the public was aware of it.
Websites having what to do with the Internet, aside from some using the
Internet as a transport mechanism?
> So you can see, the 1990 release of the SLC is very much in-line with
> this time-line.
What is this? Proof by intimidation?
> I was there, I lived through this, I helped the universities build
> their system for students so they could reserve research materials
> from the Canadian National Archives.
If that's your basis for the claims you're asserting you really needed
to get out more.
> The "properly" public internet didn't really come into full view, I
> would say until sometime around 1996, perhaps to some, 1995, but
There it is again, the hint of some unique definition of "the Internet"
that is used as the basis of your argument.
> That's why "first" was in quotes. I wasn't trying to skewer dates or
> make some big claim, but I still think it's an important piece of
An opinion obviously not universally shared.
> So go ahead, continue making your immature little jokes about
> sneakers, if someone is serious on the list, drop me a note.
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