HP Integral PC Manuals?
derschjo at msu.edu
Fri May 2 01:14:49 CDT 2008
Tony Duell wrote:
>> Hey all --
>> Picked up an HP Integral PC. Probably paid too much for it but
>> something about a luggable HP machine with a plasma display running
>> HP-UX from ROM seemed irresistible. But I digress.
> It's certainly aa beautiful machine. Is it a plasma display, though?
I don't know... you might be right that it's an electroluminescent
display, it's definitely a different color than the other plasma-based
machines I have (IBM P75, Compaq Portable 386). Didn't cross my mind
that there were other display types :).
> thought I read it was an electroluminescent panel (basically exicitng a
> solid phosphor maaterial in an alternating electric field). I must admit
> that the display is the one part of the machine that I know ittle about,
> I did dismantle the display module in one of my 2 Integrals, there's a
> PCB on whcih most of the ICs are custom and unidentifiable, so I didn't
> go much further. The display, of course, was not made by HP.
>> Has anyone archived the manuals for this thing? I've been unable to
> The beast place to look for manuals for old HP machines other than
> handhelds is http://www.hpmuseum.net/. I think at least the (l)user
> manual is there. But be warned that 'my' scheamtic there is an early
> version, and I know I made an error in the address decoder circuit
> (basically I miscounted the address pins on the CPU at one point). The
> HPCC CD-ROM contains an updated version.
> I ahve never seen an HP techical manual for this machine, but would like
> to. Low level programming info would certainly be interesting.
>> find anything in my searches on the internet. Found some software
>> archives (and after lubricating the floppy mechanism I've been able to
> Actually, most of the time the dive is suffereing from hardened grease.
> It doesn't need lubricating, it needs taking apart and cleaning. I wrote
> an artice about this (in general, not Integral-specific) in the HPCC
> journal last year, I susepct you can purchase a copy of the appropriate
> issue from HPCC.
Yeah, I took it apart, cleaned out the old grease and applied a tiny
amount of light oil on various joints. It seems to be working fine so
far. That's about as far as I've the machine apart thus far. I need to
give the printer a going-over and find some ink for it, haven't looked
into that yet.
> Anyway you must have been inside the machine. How far did you get? The
> order I dismantle the machine in is :
> Remove the ROM cover and take out the HP-UX ROM.
> Remove expanison cards, then 2 screws and the back cover
> Remvoe the rear screening plate (6 screws and a little plastic peg thing)
> Remove the floppy drive (unplug the 2 cables, then 3 screws and slide it
> out. Don't lose the eject button and spring.
> Undo the screws and free the logic assembly, Reach under it and unplug
> the cable from the display. Unplug the cables from the lower edge of the
> PCBs going to the fan and PSU/expansion box. Remove the 4 screws holding
> the front screen ot the logic module and unplug the THinkjet cabling.
> Then the whole logic unit comes out.
> Separate the logic boards from the chasiss plate.
> Rmwove the PSU/expansion box -- take off the earthing nut on the
> expansion backplane, then the 4 screws at the rear sides and slide it out
> Take of the nuts and screws and take the cover off the PSU/expansion box.
> I find it easiest to lift the cover up as far as it will go, then unbolt
> the HPIB conenctr from the back and take the cover off with the HPIB
> Remove the Thinkjet controls. First remove the logic assembly mounting
> spacer to free the earthing tab. Then one screw and take the control out.
> Take out the printer mechanism. It's just a few screws.
> I normally don't need to remove tbe display.
Cool, I'll keep those instructions around for reference in case I need
to take it all the way apart (or start feeling adventurous). My
Integral is very clean (even came with the "dummy" shipping floppy in
the drive when I got it) so I didn't feel the need to take it all the
way apart to clean.
> Anyway, the circuitry is a mix of standard and HP custom parts. The only
> chip I've not seen used elsewhere is the display controller. Other HP
> ASICs includ the HP-HIP interface chip, the Thinkjet controller, its RAM
> and ROM, and the HPIL chip that interfaces that to the rest of the machine.
> The keyboard connector is HP-HIL. There are 2 connectors, but they form
> part of the same HP-HIL chain, so you're limited to a total of 8 (or is
> it 7) devices. There's some circuity on the logic board to complete the
> chain if you honly have one connector in use (as is often the case, you
> just have the keyboard). It doesn't matter which connector you plug the
> keyboard into.
> The Thinkjet printer is conventional-ish. It uses the normal Thinkjet
> procrssor, Font ROM and RAM (which communciate with the processor using a
> Saturn bus (!)). The Thinkjet processor has a built-in HPIL interface,
> hence the 1L3 HPIL chip next to in o the board. YEs, there's a tiny HPIL
> loop to link the printer to the rest of the machine.
> The printer mechanism is standard but for the fact hat the cables are a
> lot longer than those in a normal Thinkjet. This is a particular problem
> wit hthe carriage flexiprint, which is thus not the same as the one in
> any other Thinkjet. And as is well-known,Thinkjet ink is corrosive. Never
> leave a cartridge in an Integral. I think if I ever need to replve the
> flexiprint in my Integrals, I'd use anormal-length one and kludge up some
> kind of extension.
> Do you ahve any expansion boards? The most useful ones are a memory
> expanison (1M is the largerst HP one I've seen, I posted an article here
> a couple of months back about expanding the 512K one to 1M), and an RS232
> board (in fact I bought a second Integral fairly recently mainly to get
> that board). I also have an internal 300/1200 baud modem and a ROM/EPROM
> drawer for mine, but not enough slots :-)
I have both a 512k expansion and the RS-232 card installed in mine, I'll
have to look up your article and see about upgrading the 512k card to 1M...
>> make use of it...) but not much documentation. Docs for the HP BASIC
>> for this machine would be nice, too.
>> I've only played with it for a little while, but it seems like a really
>> neat machine. (Though it seems like this thing is just begging for some
>> sort of mass-storage other than the internal floppy and RAM. Anyone
>> have an HPIB hard disk for sale? :)
> The maion prolems with this machine are, IMHO :
> Not enough memory, you really need a 512K or 1M card
> No serial port -- the RS232 board is something you want to find.
> And therefore not enough slots, if you add memory and RS232, you have no
> slots left. There was an expansion box, but I've not found one yet.
> No hard disk. Yes, you can add an external HPIB hard disk, but that
> rather defeats the point on a portable machine.
Agreed. It also would have been nice if they'd put a bit more in the
system ROM. As it is, there's absolutely no software or tools aside
from the very basic OS on startup. The machine doesn't even know how to
format disks without the Utilities floppy! A simple text editor and
other basic desktop apps (clock, calendar, calculator, terminal,
etc...), or maybe a just a small unix shell and utilities built-in would
have made this machine a lot more useful. As it is, I'm swapping
floppies all the time to do anything. Tried compiling a C program --
two disk swaps and about 2 minutes later, and I had "Hello, World!"
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