oh ya... and why are they "VAXen"? Are there "PDP 11/44en" too? I've got a couple Rainbowen here... At SGI, we had lots of Originen and I did the architecture for the Altix ICEen. A lot of us are Swedes but I don't think can be blamed for this... Jag har två bilen men har ingen VAXen. Chris -- Chris Elmquist