Atari/Commodore hybrid, was Re: General religious wars (was Re: Editor religious wars)

geoffrey oltmans oltmansg at
Wed Jan 27 13:29:08 CST 2010

These are good points. I think that a lot of Commodore's successes were despite Tramiels' involvement, rather than because of it. The accounts of the design of the SID and VIC-II in particular seem to point to this, and as you say, he ultimately drove that talent away from the company.

From: Dan Roganti <ragooman at>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 11:59:52 AM
Subject: Re: Atari/Commodore hybrid, was Re: General religious wars (was Re: Editor religious wars)

----- Martin Goldberg  wrote:
> > Dan Roganti wrote:
> >
> > Too bad Atari lost out on this, I think they deserved to build this, but
> > you know how shifty Tramiel was :)
> >
> > =Dan
> > --
> >
> >
> You must be going by RJ Mical's misinformation.  Jack Tramiel had
> nothing to do with the Amiga, that was Warner Atari Inc. as Curt
> mentioned.  

I'm not referring to any timeline. I was only saying how Tramiel has a reputation ignoring engineering advice. He has a lot of cost cutting tactics as a businessman - some good, but also some bad = such as slashing valuable personal in the engineering staff.  Although I feel Atari lost out, I would shudder to think what Tramiel might have done afterwards to Jay Miner's design just to make it cheaper, that's his MO  ( I know this is hindsight). He may be famous for the early Commodore success, but Commodore was still successful without him--thanks to engineers. If he was so remarkable, how is it that the Atari ST was just a mediocre design ( I know this just another religious war - but open your eyes for a minute). Thankfully, we were privileged to see Jay Miner's achievement as Commodore succeeded without a hatchet job on his design.


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