strangest systems I've sent email from

Liam Proven lproven at
Mon Apr 25 09:38:34 CDT 2016

On 21 April 2016 at 18:11, Swift Griggs <swiftgriggs at> wrote:
> I'm not saying everything was perfect in the 80's or 90's.  I mean, some
> CS professors in the 90's were teaching Oberon, LISP dialects, or
> Smalltalk. Then if you ever uttered the (completely true) phrase "not
> commercially viable" they'd launch into some diatribe about how these
> languages taught you some kind of special spiritual meta-programming
> that'd ultimately path the path for you to become some kind of code-God
> (like them?).

Wow. That is really remarkably narrow-minded and I'm not even slightly
surprised that you've had some strongly negative reactions already.

While I personally find Lisp to be unreadable, nonetheless, it's
enabled people to do some wholly remarkable things, and it certainly
seems to deserve all the plaudits it has received.

Oberon "not commercially viable"? That's a remarkably foolish,
short-sighted and ignorant thing to say. Oberon is what Pascal grew up
into, and I think a million-odd Delphi programmers would have very
strong words with you that the Pascal family isn't commercially

And you do know what Apple MacOS was originally written in, don't you?

I wrote about Oberon myself recently:

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