The Ivory Tower saga was Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

Seth Morabito lists at
Tue Apr 26 12:54:47 CDT 2016

* On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 08:08:37AM -0600, Swift Griggs <swiftgriggs at> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, Raymond Wiker wrote:
> > If you think that Lisp is an "academic only language", you probably need
> > to spend a little time with actually using it.
> Thanks for making my point for me. 

That seems like a "begging the question" logical fallacy, to me.

  * Your assertion is that anyone who likes Lisp must be a zealot.
  * Someone else asserts that it is not the case.
  * You use that assertion to prove your point.

FWIW, I'm not a Lisp programmer, though I've dabbled a very, very
little with Scheme, Common Lisp, and Clojure. They're interesting, and
I've seen very complex systems built with them. I believe they are
suitable for vigorous real-world use.

I will fully confess that the Lisp community has been off-putting in
some ways, and I *have* seen Lisp zealotry (the "smug lisp weenie"
epithet comes to mind). But that does not mean that the language
itself should be totally dismissed, it just means the community has
ugly warts.

> -Swift

Seth Morabito
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