ASM, Clancy & Harvey, and Agile (Re: vintage computers in active use)

Fred Cisin cisin at
Fri May 27 15:07:49 CDT 2016

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Paul Koning wrote:
> Those first two titles sound reasonable.  The third sounds strangely 
> touchy-feely rather than like an engineering course.
A touchy-feely nickname applied by those who personally wouldn't have 
anything to do with it.

>> They had a brilliant visionary concept of CS education.
> I would not put it that way.  "Brilliant" is a term of praise, as is 
> "visionary".

"insane"?  "out of touch with reality"?
sarcasm is always risky here.

They tried to change the entire paradigm of beginning CS education into 
their image.

> I'm surprised that such people would be working at a supposedly highly 
> regarded outfit like Berkeley.
an infra structure that may promote such, or may put "out of the way" in 
something uncared about, such as undergraduate lower-division.

To be fair, I haven't heard anything from them in decades, so I have no 
idea how successful they were, nor whether their goals have changed.

UC for awhile accepted our "Data Structures And Algorithms" class and our 
"Advanced Microcomputer Programming" for transfer as a substitute for 
their "Demystification" course, but then suddenly dropped them with a 
stated reason of "The CATALOG description of them does not mention 
interrupt handlers".  (no, their catalog is also not a complete list of 
course content)

Later, for a few years, they accepted my "Microcomputer Assembly Language" 
and my "Computer Math" as substitutes for other reasonably irrelevant 

Grumpy Ol' Fred     		cisin at

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