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Sat Dec 9 10:42:07 CST 2017
AFAICR (…), the M7859 is sort of a UNIBUS device. The (front panel) console only communicates with the M7859.
The M7859 writes/read to/from memory using the UNIBUS. Have a look at the schematics of the console.
I cannot remember whether a demux for the displays is on the console PCB, or on the M7859.
I also have a few dead M7859’s too. Of one I know that one of the two 4-bit memory chips is faulty, the others
I never investigated.
If you get 000000 on the dsipaly and when halted it shows 173066 I presume it is looping. You can use the
front panel to single step. If it loops, it will repeatedly read from a device address which is most likely the
CSR of the boot device. 173066 is an address of the boot PROMs on the M9312.
So, your 11/04 seems fine so far …
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Onderwerp: Re: Revive 11/34
> From: John Welch
> Can you give me a refresher on how to tell which slots are cut? I
> remember having to turn the chassis over and looking for a particular
Yeah; you can use the G7273 as a 'crib', since it has the NPG jumper on it.
That jumper goes from CA1 to CB1: component side, third connector (counting
from the A connector), first and second pins (again counting from the A
connector end). A lot of the slots will still have their jumpers in, which
is how you can confirm you're looking at the right pins; look for slots
> I also have an 11/04 that I went and drug out.
Yeah, the M7263 is the KD11-D CPU, the M7847's are MS11-E's (one of them will
be useful as a first-stage debug for the 11/34, once you've verified, in the
-11/04, that they work - the M7891 MS11-L is rare and valuable, I'd rather not
use that until everything up to that point in the -11/34 is known working -
you could try pulling the two M7847's from the -11/04 and try plugging in the
M7891, to verify that it's sort of OK).
> I am thinking I could put a M9203/M7856 into slot 9, and find a M9312
> for slot 3 and maybe this would fire up. Any suggestions?
As always, first pull all the boards and check the power supply (if it's been
a long time since it was last powered on, re-form the electrolytics in the
power supply first, before powering it on), then put in the _minimal_ set of
boards and get those working.
> I added an M9302 in Slot9-AB and then moved the M7856 from the 11/34 to
> Slot9-CDEF of the 11/04. I put a random M9312 in Slot3-AB I turned on
> the 11/04.
> I have six '0' digits. I push ctrl+hlt and the display shows 173066.
> Looks like things are moving.
Yup, that's working. Now you have a working machine, you can board-swap in
from the -11/34 to check other boards out. Major, major help!!
The first thing I'd try would be the M7859, KY11-LB, from the -11/34 over
here. If it doesn't work in the -11/04 (with only that board changed), i)
you've isolated the problem, and ii) you can probably use the one from the
-11/04 to get the -11/34 working (unless there's something _else_ broken in
the -11/34 as well).
NOTE: Don't plug the good one from the -11/04 into the -11/34 - or do
anything else with the -11/34 - until you've checked the voltages in the
If the M7859, KY11-LB from the -11/34 _does_ work in the -11/04, time to keep
looking. The console itself is so dumb it's unlikely to be the problem, but
you never know; might we worth swapping. I'm having a hard time seeing what
problems in the /34 CPU, etc could cause the symptoms you're seeing - are
they still there with only the absolute minimal board set?
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