New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!
Guy Sotomayor Jr
ggs at shiresoft.com
Fri Feb 17 11:46:10 CST 2017
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
> Philipp Hachtmann wrote:
>>> You might consider KiCAD as an alternative to Eagle. It works pretty
>>> darned well.
>> Why should I? If you look at the board's size you probably see that it
>> cannot be made using the free version. I own a paid Eagle 7 license. Why
>> should I throw that away? Started to use Eagle as a child. Have my own
>> libraries and footprints. Got used to the odds. And I won't use that
>> KiCAD thing. It smells too much like dumb Arduino folks. And I do not
>> want to share to much with that community.
>> I am an engineer and no Arduino fool... Even if KiCAD was a really great
>> program, it would still have the smell of the
>> Sorry for the rant but.... Arduino is just fubar..
>> If I would migrate to another EDA tool, I would probably migrate up to
>> something more elaborated than Eagle or KiCAD :-)
>> Kind regards
> I don't have a problem with your arduino related point of view, but I'm
> sure you never heard from the push and shove router that kicad implements?
> (take a look at youtube!)
> If you have used it once, egale would look a lot like
> People at the swiss CERN are developing it, for sure they only know how
> to make arduinos, dnon't they?
Just to add my $0.02 to this conversation. I’m an Eagle (professional) user for
well over a decade. The issue the Phillip mentioned about footprints and designs
On my last design I decided to give KiCAD a try and quickly realized that the
large libraries of parts and footprints I have would have to be completely re-done.
That made the bar too high to switch. Most of my designs use footprints that I have
developed or are readily available. Also, many new parts vendors supply Eagle
libraries for their parts so I don’t have to develop them. I haven’t seen anything
for KiCAD regarding that…which means even more work for me.
Tool lock-in is a real phenomenon not just for the “wet-ware” but also for all of the
parts libraries that exist for the tools (either vendor, community or self developed).
So without a support infrastructure for parts libraries, a tool is just a “toy” regardless
of how good the underlying implementation is.
In terms of community supplied libraries, Eagle has those too and I’ve found that
by and large they are junk (it’s easier/quicker for me to create a part on my own
than to try and figure out what bizarre thing the contributor actually did and I still
need to check it anyway). While I haven’t seen a lot of KiCAD contributed libraries
(that’s part of the problem) I have no expectation that they would be better than
the Eagle contributed libraries.
TTFN - Guy
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