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[Jay West]

Hans wrote...
> I don't realy see where the reasoning is do do this, except
> to eliminate CC-Talk.
Since you don't see it, let me be crystal clear - there is NO intent to 
eliminate CCtalk. Period. Never was my intent, nor did I say or intone that 
it was.

It would appear that from what Hans is saying he wants completely 
unmoderated cctalk, or else. I tend to believe in people, that people can 
meet in the middle and get along. I would like to believe that if the cctalk 
people could accept just slightly more moderation than they wish, and cctech 
people could accept just slightly less moderation than they wish, that maybe 
there could be a happy medium and people could get along.

Hans on the other hand is convinced that people can't get along and the two 
must be kept separate. That's easy for him to say since he doesn't have to 
spend the time moderating posts every day (see below).

There is an additional issue - the amount of time and effort needed to keep 
the two lists separate has grown as the list has grown, and now even with 3+ 
people doing it - it is unfair to ask these people to continue doing so. Not 
that they have complained, but the fact is that it is not fair for these 
people to spend so much time when the people posting should take more 
responsibility for what they post (and others should take more 
responsibility in just hitting the delete button). When the list was 
smaller, it was an easier route to go to say "fine, split the lists, we'll 
just moderate it". Now that the workload for that isn't so easy, it's best 
to swing the other direction and say "people, get along".

And THIS discussion as well has been beat to death so much over the past 
year or so that the bloody mass is no longer recognizable as a horse. I 
brought this up for discussion on the list more than once, it was discussed 
vigorously, and quite simply, I didn't get more than one or two negative 
responses. I really hope we aren't headed down the path of re-beating this 
horse again. If so, I should create another list so people can posture and 
pontificate all over again.

> Again, my goal was to have the list run as it was intended,
> NOT to take it over or such.
Hans, I realize that it is probably very difficult for you to understand or 
visualize my position since you don't have to get the direct complaint 
emails from listmembers that I do. But please consider my advice as someone 
who has been there, done that, and has the battlescars - you can't have a 
list this large with the exact same charter that the small original list 
had. It does not work. I've been on the bludgeoning end of that for too 
long.

J