jwest at classiccmp.org
Thu Aug 31 15:01:59 CDT 2006
> I don't realy see where the reasoning is do do this, except
> to eliminate CC-Talk.
Since you don't see it, let me be crystal clear - there is NO intent to
eliminate CCtalk. Period. Never was my intent, nor did I say or intone that
It would appear that from what Hans is saying he wants completely
unmoderated cctalk, or else. I tend to believe in people, that people can
meet in the middle and get along. I would like to believe that if the cctalk
people could accept just slightly more moderation than they wish, and cctech
people could accept just slightly less moderation than they wish, that maybe
there could be a happy medium and people could get along.
Hans on the other hand is convinced that people can't get along and the two
must be kept separate. That's easy for him to say since he doesn't have to
spend the time moderating posts every day (see below).
There is an additional issue - the amount of time and effort needed to keep
the two lists separate has grown as the list has grown, and now even with 3+
people doing it - it is unfair to ask these people to continue doing so. Not
that they have complained, but the fact is that it is not fair for these
people to spend so much time when the people posting should take more
responsibility for what they post (and others should take more
responsibility in just hitting the delete button). When the list was
smaller, it was an easier route to go to say "fine, split the lists, we'll
just moderate it". Now that the workload for that isn't so easy, it's best
to swing the other direction and say "people, get along".
And THIS discussion as well has been beat to death so much over the past
year or so that the bloody mass is no longer recognizable as a horse. I
brought this up for discussion on the list more than once, it was discussed
vigorously, and quite simply, I didn't get more than one or two negative
responses. I really hope we aren't headed down the path of re-beating this
horse again. If so, I should create another list so people can posture and
pontificate all over again.
> Again, my goal was to have the list run as it was intended,
> NOT to take it over or such.
Hans, I realize that it is probably very difficult for you to understand or
visualize my position since you don't have to get the direct complaint
emails from listmembers that I do. But please consider my advice as someone
who has been there, done that, and has the battlescars - you can't have a
list this large with the exact same charter that the small original list
had. It does not work. I've been on the bludgeoning end of that for too
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