ftp archives disappearing?
mouse at Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA
Sun Mar 18 23:19:27 CDT 2007
>> Perhaps some DOLT leeching the entire site causes them to be shut
>> down by their provider due to bandwidth. Perhaps some selfabsorbed
>> arrogant miscreant sucking down the entire site, costs this guy a
>> sudden $200 bill that he wasn't expecting due to bandwidth. How
>> RUDE not to respect the site owners wishes.
> 1. If the person didn't want to share the files, then why are they up
> on the 'net in the first place?
Perhaps the person was interested in helping people who actually ahve a
need for them, instead of feeding leeches.
> 2. QoS has been around for over a decade, both software and hardware.
> Put bandwidth controls on your stuff if you fear it will cost you
> money. My FTP server limits to 16KB/s because I pay for my
Bully for you. So now it's the victim's fault? I don't have any easy
way to place bandwidth limits on my FTP server. If I get hit with a
leech who ends up costing me bandwidth overage charges, do you think
I'm going to go spend money to keep it from happening again? No; I'm
far more likely to either shut it down entirely or just report the
abuser to the provider used (and quite likely ban access from that
provider in the interim, with the ban made permanent if they don't
consider it abuse). I have trouble thinking any of us who run anon FTP
sites are likely to react otherwise.
I've had the same discussion, basically, with qmail fans. They too
seem to think that it's sane to take the stance "I should be able to
grab all I want, and if you don't want me to you should make sure I
can't". The concept that computers are used by humans and that
politeness is important to humans seems completely lost on them. (And
yes, I've had to put automated defenses in place against qmail's
commonest form of abuse - connection-bombing receiving mailservers.)
> 3. Not everyone has to host their files on a plan that will cost them
> crazy money if abused.
Great. Therefore it's OK to abuse those who don't?
Look. It's really quite simple: please respect the archive provider's
wishes. If you don't know what they are, either ask or be
Anything else risks destroying the resource you are abusing.
>> Sorry, touched a nerve.
> Sorry, but you still haven't proven your point.
There is nothing to prove.
You are asked to not abuse something provided free. You are arguing
"you should make it impossible to abuse". True or false, that does
not, repeat DOES NOT, excuse your abusing it, or attempting to.
> Offering files online for the good of the community, then putting
> arbitrary limits on access, doesn't make sense. You either want to
> help people, or you don't.
If you can't see the difference between helping people and feeding
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