RX01 missing felt pad, repair advice
Tim McNerney
mc at media.mit.edu
Wed Nov 26 12:18:57 CST 2008
The felt pad that presses the floppy disk into the r/w head fell off my
RX01 (or whatever dual floppy drive is actually inside a DECmate model
III (a late edition of 6120-based PDP-8).
Has anyone tried to do that repair? What did you use for replacement,
self-adhesive felt material?
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:25:48 -0600
> From: Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com>
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> Fred Cisin wrote:
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>> It sure is easy to slip into off-topic mechanical griping.
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> Yeah, funny how there's a lot of interest overlap between vintage computing,
> old cars, and engineering (and that it says in the "to" field of this message
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> J.
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:04:06 -0500
> From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: 5" floppy?.
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> Tony Duell wrote:
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>>> Even computer companies - people that should know better, make
>>> mistakes when talking about floppy disks. Last week I was in a Staples
>>> store (American office supply store chain), and saw a Memorex 3 1/2" USB
>>> floppy drive, the package stating clearly that it supported "1.44mb
>>> double sided and 720k single sided diskettes". >
>>>
>> Well, calling it mb (millibyte) is clearly wrong. And the value of
>> 1.44Mbytes assumes you take 1Mbyte as 1000*1024 bytes, which is downright
>> crazy.
>>
>
> Actually, doesn't mb imply "millibit", and mB is "millibyte", with Mb as
> "megabit" and MB as "megabyte"?
>
> Peace... Sridhar
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:06:26 -0500
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> Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ wrote:
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>> (once again, sorry Jay)
>>
>>
>>> My favourite has to be Torx. I have never had any problems with those.
>>>
>> Oh I have... <grumble>Bloody Volkswagens with their stupid 5-lobed
>> Torx-like brake caliper bolts, that you can't even get drivers for from
>> VW without ordering them from Germany...
>>
>
> My Audi uses triple-square for that kind of stuff.
>
> Peace... Sridhar
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:01:42 -0500 (EST)
> From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us>
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> Where have all the HP3000 systems gone?
>
> Between 1986 and 1988, I worked on a whole slew of HP3000s, from the
> Series III to the Series 70. They were popular in the business
> environment, especially in COBOL shops. Where did they end up? You can
> find loads of DEC equipment on Ebay, even IBM System 34, 36 and AS/400s,
> the occasional HP1000, but the only HP3000 I recall seeing in recent years
> was a single Model 37.
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>
> Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:16:45 -0500
> From: "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
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>> Between 1986 and 1988, I worked on a whole slew of HP3000s, from the
>> Series III to the Series 70. They were popular in the business environment,
>> especially in COBOL shops. Where did they end up? You can find loads of
>> DEC equipment on Ebay, even IBM System 34, 36 and AS/400s, the occasional
>> HP1000, but the only HP3000 I recall seeing in recent years was a single
>> Model 37.
>>
>
> You answered your own question.
>
> DEC made loads of minis (PDP and VAX).
> IBM made loads of minis (S/34 and S/36).
> IBM made extra sized loads of AS/400 minis (more than any other minicomputer).
> HP did not make loads of 3000s.
>
> I think it is a simple population thing.
>
> --
> Will
>
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> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:27:42 -0800
> From: "Mark Davidson" <mdavidson1963 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: HP3000
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> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:16 PM, William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Between 1986 and 1988, I worked on a whole slew of HP3000s, from the
>>> Series III to the Series 70. They were popular in the business environment,
>>> especially in COBOL shops. Where did they end up? You can find loads of
>>> DEC equipment on Ebay, even IBM System 34, 36 and AS/400s, the occasional
>>> HP1000, but the only HP3000 I recall seeing in recent years was a single
>>> Model 37.
>>>
>> You answered your own question.
>>
>> DEC made loads of minis (PDP and VAX).
>> IBM made loads of minis (S/34 and S/36).
>> IBM made extra sized loads of AS/400 minis (more than any other minicomputer).
>> HP did not make loads of 3000s.
>>
>> I think it is a simple population thing.
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>
> I subscribe to the 3000 mailing list, and there seems to be one other
> complaint... licensing the OS. I am no expert on the matter, but I've
> gotten the impression that HP can be a real bear to deal with when it
> comes to licensing the OS for users. It simply can get too expensive
> for a hobbyist to run MPE...
>
> Trust me, I'd love to have a small 3000 at home and if one ever shows
> up, I'll snap it up if I can. They just seem to be pretty rare on the
> used market.
>
> Mark
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:52:06 -0500
> From: "William Donzelli" <wdonzelli at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: HP3000
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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>> I subscribe to the 3000 mailing list, and there seems to be one other
>> complaint... licensing the OS. I am no expert on the matter, but I've
>> gotten the impression that HP can be a real bear to deal with when it
>> comes to licensing the OS for users. It simply can get too expensive
>> for a hobbyist to run MPE...
>>
>
> A complaint, yes, but really has nothing to do with why 3000s are so
> scarce. Really, it is hard to beat the IBM AS/400 group for being
> disagreeable when it comes to licenses.
>
> I think DEC spoiled us.
>
> --
> Will
>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:41:19 +0000
> From: feldman.r at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Help with Shugart SA801 8" floppy with 230v 50 cycle
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> For small pulleys, check out a hobby shop that deals in radio controlled model airplanes and cars. For small gears, try www.nwsl.com. They also have small drills, bolts, and metal rods (e.g., 1.5mm x 6"). In England, try http://www.ultrascale.co.uk/ for small gears.
>
> Bob
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:45:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
> Subject: Re: 5" floppy?.
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> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>
>> I once read an interview with the son of inventor Henry Phillips (an
>> Oregon native) and he maintained that it wasn't the original design
>> (US Patent 2046343) that was at fault, it was primarily the fault of
>> ASC for cheapening the manufacturing process by relaxing
>> specifications--and the propagation of inferior tools. Indeed, the
>> screwdrivers I have that are labeled "Genuine Phillips" do seem to be
>> quite a bit better than the generic variety. One aspect of the
>> Phillips head not shared by Torx or Robertson/square is that it will
>> automatically center the driving bit.
>>
>
> I don't follow on the automatic centering. Yes, a slotted screwdriver can
> slide out, but torx or robertsons?
>
>
>> The "slipping out", I believe is referred to as "camming out".
>>
>> While rebuilding a deck this summer, I found that even square-drive
>> screws are easy to strip when power is used to drive them.
>>
>
> That's why you're supposed to use a drill with a slipper clutch.
>
>
>> Fortunately, deck screws are being manufactured with the Torx head
>> (mine were T25s) and allow for much better driving performance.
>>
>
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