Classic mac fun (and some questions)
lproven at gmail.com
Sat Jun 6 09:42:40 CDT 2009
2009/6/5 Brian Lanning <brianlanning at gmail.com>:
> So I got around to hooking some things up and seeing what works. I
> have a quadra 700 with system 7.6 on it. I also had a 7 bay scsi
> enclosure lying around, a couple scsi hard drives, and a slot loading
> dvd drive.
> My goal here is first to get the quadra on the network so I can share
> files with it. Also, I'd like to be able to read CDs or DVDs from the
> quadra. Once one of those is successful, I plan to use ADT to
> transfer a prodos or apple 3.3 dos disk image to an apple 2gs over a
> serial cable, then create a bootable floppy for my 2e. :-P lol.
> It's looking like a fun project.
> I should note that I have zero floppy disks for the mac or apple
> 2e/2gs. So this is sort of a fun boot-strapping project to see if I
> can get there from here.
> Much to my surprise, the quadra 700 detected the two scsi hard drives
> and dvd drive. The quadra already had some scsi utilities and each of
> the drives show up. One of them has a mount button, but it refuses to
> mount a CD in the DVD drive. No surprise there I guess. Any idea how
> I can get the machine to mount a CD or DVD? I might have a
> termination problem. I have this black centronics thingy with the
> apple logo on it. It sort of looks like a terminator, but you can
> plug another centronics cable into the back of it, so I'm doubting
> it's a terminator.
> Networking doesn't seem to work. I get a light on the hub, but it
> doesn't seem interested in letting me get to the network. The machine
> has Timbuktu installed, but the open menu option is ghosted out. The
> info menu option works, but nothing is listed on the networking tab.
> I found this link: http://www.atpm.com/network/files/file_sharing.htm
> The menu options they talk about are missing. I have some
> applescript menu options somewhere else that talk about turning on
> file sharing, but they don't work either. I'm thinking I might need
> to reinstall the system software at some point. Any tips on how I can
> get this machine on the network?
> I suspect the floppy drive is bad. I put a new HD floppy in the
> drive. It detects it as a 1.4meg floppy disk, but formatting doesn't
> work. It claims the disk is bad. I have another drive in the IIfx
> that I might try swapping in to see if I can get the floppy drive
> working. I copied a dos file to the floppy as a test to see if I
> could get the mac to read it. No luck. It wants to format the disk.
> Any ideas on how I can be able to share floppies between the PC and
> mac? I know the mac drives are a little odd.
> fun stuff.
Quadra 700 - so it's a 25MHz 68040. How much RAM has it got?
I'd strongly suggest, as others have observed, wiping it & installing
MacOS 8.1. It's got much better TCP/IP handling and also better
handling of alien disk formats. You might even have a chance of
recognising and handling a DVD, though I wouldn't put money on it.
A bit more info as to why:
8.1 boot CDs are rare. It's easier to get a copy of 8.0 and download
and install the free 8.1 update, which Apple still offers.
If you're really stuck, I might be able to find a spare CD of 8.0
somewhere for you.
It'll still require 3rd party tools to talk to a Windows network,
though. If you have NT Server, though, it has a Mac file-sharing mode,
even back in NT3. That will work fine.
To access a non-Apple optical drive, you either need a 3rd party
driver or a hacked version of the Apple driver.There's a guide here:
& a little more here:
For 3rd party hard disks, you also need a 3rd party tool, although
it's not a driver as such - it's just a partitioner/formatter.
(Technically, it embeds the driver into the partition structure of the
drive, so the MacOS automatically loads it the 1st time that it sees
the drive. This is transparent - you can even boot off such a drive.)
I use SilverLining but there's also a LaCie tool and various others -
most vendors of 3rd party SCSI hard disks offered them.
In my experience, reading non-Mac CDs on Classic MacOS is very iffy,
especially if they're home-burned ones. I've never found an adequate
way around this. It's /supposed/ to work but often won't.
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