I wasn’t around back then ;) But I think the big problem with steam tractors was since
they were so heavy they would sink into the fields. I don’t think that was an issue really
solved until gas powered tractors came around.
Frank
On Aug 26, 2025, at 2:35 PM, Adrian Godwin via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Exploding boilers seem a lot worse than batteries. They can produce jets of
flame and toxic smoke but not cast iron shrapnel.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025, 19:31 Steve Lewis via cctalk, <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> Your quote "to get into the head of those original engineers" is a great
> sentiment on what the hobby is about.
>
> I recall reading about early "steam tractors" - almost trains, before there
> were any tracks. Monstrous things, I can't recall if they were before
> steam ship engines - but exploding broilers was a problem (which I view as
> being akin to "exploding batteries" that we might occasionally deal with
> today- it happens now and then, as we still haven't perfected the tech {or
> at least, hadn't 10 years ago}).
>
> I'm reading more about those electric powered flying vehicles - with some
> becoming available around $120K? I think the Joby eVTOL recently did a
> first public flight between two airports. I've been flying one in MS
> simulator, neat to see that they might become a reality. The main
> naysayers of electric-anything vehicles tend to point to cold weather
> (northern winter) environments.
>
>
> Anyhow, those "personal minicomputers" from 1968-1969 are neat. It's a
> whole generation of computing that (IMO) is kind of forgotten about - but
> then again, they cost as much as a house then, so generally only business
> owners (like supermarket owners) could afford them. I suspect Gomez
> Addams had a few in their basement :) I've seen some Data General's of
> that era restored. I'm still trying to see if there are any functional
> DDP-116 or SEL810B around - but you're right, flip-switch programming is
> kind of a drag and working teletypes are hard to find these days.
>
> You mentioned having your own RAM card, like custom built? Someone
> recently made an SRAM based replacement RWS for the IBM 5110. Neat stuff,
> I never yet had the patience (or equipment) for that kind of detailed
> signal analysis to reverse engineer something like that.
>
>
> -Steve
> (voidstar / Domesticating the Computer)
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> On Tue, Aug 26, 2025 at 11:26 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
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>>> On Aug 26, 2025, at 10:51 AM, Martin Eberhard via cctalk <
>> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting for Tesla’s early history, but skip to 49:00 for a nice
> rack
>>> he is putting together with an 11/20.
>>>>
https://youtu.be/88KHfX_kPIY
>>>> He also appears to be on the cctalk list.
>>>
>>> :-) Yes, I'm on this list. I was surprised to see Kim Java show that
>>> snippit of my PDP11/20 restoration project. I wasn't even aware that
> the
>>> camera was rolling at that point!
>>>
>>> So far, the CPU and the extended arithmetic element seem to be working
>>> great. I've got my own SRAM board
>>> <
>>
>
https://deramp.com/downloads/mfe_archive/005-Documentation%20and%20Code%20b…
>>>
>>> in it. The RX211 is also working great, as is the DL11. I'm in the
>> process
>>> of restoring the RK11 disk subsystem (RK03 Diablo drives, external
>>> controller). I can now read, write, and format on one of the drives.
> The
>>> other has lots of work to be done. I need to tear both drives apart
>> enough
>>> to replace the rotted foam seals for the air-blower interface, and the
>>> rubber strip on the front door. I am also considering cleaning and
>>> re-lubricating the bearings on the positioner assembly. as they feel a
>>> little crunchy. Amazingly, I just bought new air filters for the
> Diablo
>>> drives!
>>
>> Nice!
>>
>> How do you load software into it? There's always the toggle switches if
>> you have enough patience. Or do you just update the ROM?
>>
>> For that machine, with a full load of memory, you have a bunch of OS
>> options. RT-11/SJ or /FB, DOS-11, RSTS-11. That last option would be
>> amusing: a machine quite similar to yours, with the addition of DECtape
> and
>> another 15 DL11 interfaces, is what my alma mater used for the college
>> timesharing system in 1973-1974.
>>
>> paul
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