>This, I'm stumped by. Is it supposed to be BinHex?
Sorry about that. For some reason this was MIME'd.
Try this address at Apple to look up info:
http://til.info.apple.com/
-- Kirk
>If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs (though
>I am firmly against drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and firearms) than not
>do drugs and sit for years in the basement without seeing the light
>of day. It seems to me that since we all die anyway, might as well
>enjoy. I am not brave enough to take that approach, so I sit at my
>computer all day (when I am not at school-I am in 9th grade).
Drugs suck... They are screaming their heads off trying to legalize
marijuana when they should be getting rid of tobacco... My dad ended up in
the hospital getting a quadruple bypass surgery, the only reason it wasn't
worse than that is that he had stopped smoking about a year before that
when he had a heart attack. Although eating fast food most of the time
probably didn't help...
I LIKE sitting in a basement all day... I wake up around noon, go check my
email, grab something to eat, go try to figure out where I put that repair
manual for whichever computer is broken today, eat a snack, try to find
parts to repair the broken computer, eat lunch, try to fix the computer and
break it again, surf the web for a couple of hours trying to find someting
about my broken computer, eat dinner, go to sleep at 3am... OK, so I'm not
quite THAT far gone, but you get the idea. I also volunteer at the local
science museum once a week in the computer lab(30-odd computers and a
sleeping System/34 in the corner), and I might even start working on the
submarine parked outside... So I'm not in the basement all day. In the
summer I ride around the neighborhood on my bike for a while, although it
gets pretty boring. I think it's better to spend the summer in a nice cool
basement and only go outside in the morning when it's cooler, or maybe just
in the spring and fall. And then spend half the winter inside sitting in
front of a nice big fire. And the only reason I get away with this isthat
I'm home schooled... Been doing that for a while, but the first year was
the worst. The entire year my mom sat there torturing me with
multiplication tables... I hated it, but it worked. Right now I'm refusing
to go near anything that hasto do with algebra(keep getting stuck on a few
things), but all the stuff that interests me(quantum whatchamacallits,
trig, and all that other fancy stuff) you need to get past algebra first...
And that's where I've been stuck for the past two or three years. I HATE
ALGEBRA!!! And learning morse code so I can get a ham radio license is the
perfect excuse to stay away from it... :-) Well, I can't stay in the
basement much longer, I need to go get supplies to keep my computers
running! Well, I guess I'd better go get a job so I can buy the stuff
before my computers completely fall apart.
Anyone sick of reading my email yet? I am... I don't think we could get
much more off topic than this.
-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/
In a message dated 98-01-24 13:41:02 EST, somebody rambled on and on about:
<< > If you ask me, it is better to have a social life and do drugs... >>
::major snippage!::
hmm, i thought we discussed collecting old computers.... can we get back on
the PROPER topic?
From: Cord Coslor <archive(a)navix.net>
To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Some classic finds!
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I just tried her e-mail address, and it doesn't seem to be correct. That
is
what she told me, though. Anyway, the phone # is correct. I will try to
post
the correct e-mail address for her soon!.
CORD
Cord Coslor wrote:
> Today a lady in SE Oklahoma called me, and says she just picked up quite
> a few things at a local vo-tech auction.
[snip]
> 3) Some type of Commodore suitcase portable????
That is a Commodore SX 64, a portable (read 'luggable') 64 with
built-in 5" color monitor and 1541 disk drive. Quite a handy unit....
:)
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From: "Max Eskin" <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: Mac development
> I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
> like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
> Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
> I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
> IDE?
Well there ia also a great BASIC for the Mac, Future BASIC, by Staz
Software, It can run under system 6 with 1 meg of RAM and has the
runtime modules to make such things as applications, cdevs, inits, etc.
Supports probably all the system functions in Inside Macintosh...
(lists most of em too). Good documentation (large manuals), help on the
internet, and can make good commercial quality stuff... It is still
hell though, alot of memory management, but it is for a good reason.
New, it is about $200.00, but worth it if you want to do some serious
programming.
Back then (SE times) it was probably Think C, which I belive is now
owned by Symantec..
Larry Anderson
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At 10:45 AM 1/21/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> Ahh, that sucks! My parents have control of my money again, so I'd
never get away with spending
>> $50 on old computers... (They're trying to discourage me from playing with
>> computers, and being about as subtle as a jackhammer...)
>
>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now
>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me
>to stop playing with computers because my dad thought they were a FAD
>(hahahahahahahahahahaa) and my mom thought it was unhealthy for me to
>hide in the basement all the time like some brain-damaged monster.
My mom once told me that computers were a tool of the devil.
>Tell your parents that today I have a college degree, have been out on my
>own working productively since I was 20 (with VERY little external
>support), earn twice the median income in my state, started a successful
I dropped out of college -- I was too busy working to finish. (Actually,
I'm only 1 beginning Cobol class away from a 2-year degree.) I've been an
independant consultant for not quite 8 years; I went indy when I was 24.
About 5 years ago, I bought my parents house (long story; they'd been
"renting" for 20-odd years) so they wouldn't lose it. My mom passed away 2
years ago (last Saturday 8^( ) and I moved back home shortly thereafter to
care for my dad.
I spent about 3 years driving them to work and home when my dad was no
longer able to take pubtrans; I was able to do that because my clients
didn't mind when I worked, so long as I worked for them. Now I'm working
>from home 3 days a week so I can be with my dad more.
Meanwhile, my older brother (who my folks put through UC Berkeley (BS -
Economic Geography) and Golden Gate University (MBA)) once shouted in the
middle of a crowded plaza that he wanted nothing to do with my father (and
didn't want him attending his concert) because he *smelled bad*. With my
dad standing right there.
My younger brother (who my folks put through SF State (BA - Speech
Communications)) can't be bothered to visit or call his dad -- he's too
busy hanging out with friends and going to church. Last time he visited,
he stole my CB.
The elder of my two sisters, (UC Berkeley, Math, flunked out) is happy
being a secretary and, again, isn't interested enough to call or visit.
(My younger sister, (Johnson & Wales, Equine Business), lives at home too,
and helps out an amazing amount. She's single, btw.)
So, the moral is, your parents should either encourage you to be a computer
nerd, or a horse nut.
>My parents realize their mistake now...my father tearfully gave me his
>gold retirement watch, which I accepted reluctantly, to show how proud
>he is of me. My parents are happy with me and I'm happy with myself all
>thanks to my tinkering all those years in the basement.
My mom, too, came to realize that me and my computers were a good thing (in
spite of the fact that not all those "computer club meetings" involved more
than one person of each sex...).
Let me just add that I don't hire "micro-weenies". That is, if a person
doesn't understand that Pentium II *isn't* called that because the Pentium
was the first computer, I'm not interested in working with them. There are
tons of jobs out there right now for CoBOL programmers (btw, if you want a
job as a CoBOL programmer, you better darn well know who Grace Hopper
was!). And solid programming, database, and operations skills will *never*
go out of style, and they're a lot easier to pick up in the older/bigger
computer world.
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
My point was that people are not around to work at computers, which
is a pretty useless activity in the scheme of things. What is really
disturbing to me is that there are people, some my age, who would turn
down a chance to interact with a person, versus a computer. AND they
use Windows 95 or MacOS! The internet may become a problem
psychologically
soon. But this is all way off subject, so I have two questions:
a)What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a clone?
b)I heard that there was an 8088-based machine called an apricot, that
had a GUI, voice recognition,etc.(according to the Machine Room). Is
it what I think it is, or was it a piece of junk? Either way, how much
would the portable go for?
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Max,
I live near a consignment hardware/software store that usually has all of the things you're looking for at very reasonable prices. I've seen the Inside Mac series there for $15-$25. On occasion they have the Apple C development environment but they always have older copies of Think C (V4.0 thru V6.0) for about $15. They are willing to accept credit card phone orders and will ship to you. You can view their web site at:
http://www.intex.net/software-etc/
If you are looking for something you don't see listed on the web site I'd suggest you give them a call as the web site only seems to list a small portion of what they have.
Regards,
Bob
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From: Max Eskin[SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 6:43 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Mac development
I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
IDE?
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At 11:07 PM 1/21/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>I'll leave this public since it might be useful to someone...I'm 29 now
>>but when I was 16 or 17 my parents expended GREAT energy trying to get me
>Well, I AM 17, and I'm up to 30 computers or so... Let me see if I can
>remember them all, my web site is a partial listing.
One other item that was pointed out to me in the collectibles forum of
Compuserve -- teenagers who collect things rarely get into trouble. You
don't see them spending money on drugs or liquor or whathaveyou, and they
don't often end up in jail. (Yes, I'm an exception, but I wasn't actively
collecting anything in high school.)
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>I know that programming on the Macintosh is hell, but I would still
>like to try it, on an old one. Does anyone know where I could get
>Inside Macintosh for the Mac SE era? Also, what should I use to develop?
>I don't believe they used CodeWarrior all along! Didn't Apple sell an
>IDE?
My favorite is the now discontinued Think Pascal. You should be able to find
it used for under $100. Apple used to sell a compilation of tools called
'Macintosh Programmer's Workshop', but from what i understand it was never
that impressive. If you're just want to play around Chipmunk BASIC can be had
as freeware.
I saw the complete set of Inside Macintosh on CD-ROM at Border's Bookstore
for $99. I recall hearing you can download individual chapters from the books
via Apple's web site, but I can't confirm that.
Sincerely,
Tom Owad
