> >Well, frogger is a good example of why not. I see they're bringing it
out
> >again.
>
> Okay, so you own a new computer, maybe a P200 mmx and you have this old
copy
> of frogger, from your XT days... If this old copy gets out on the
internet
> or elsewhere, is it going to affect sales of the new Frogger version?
Well, I meant...Frogger is an axample of why "they" don't just throw game
concepts out the window. Frogger seems to have been resurrected. You're
right -- the new one is different, and most young users would prefer the
new version (I LIKED the old one, though! Anyone have Frogger for the PC
for sale?)
Hullo;
I'm trying to finish restoring my Apollo DN5500, but I can't seem to track
down the parts I need. Maybe somebody here can help...
I need the following for sure:
Apollo P/N 012600-01 -- 760 MB ESDI disk (Maxtor XT-8760E)
011778 -- 60 MB SCSI QIC drive (Archive 2060S)
SR10.3.5 or 10.4 tapeset (not the 10.4.1 RAI
like I've got already).
These would also be useful but are not needed:
Apollo P/N 12173 -- 8 plane 1280x1024 video board
7550 -- 3 button DOMAIN mouse
If you could help me out, I'd appreciate it greatly. This Apollo has been
sitting around half-working for too long.
Oh, and on an unrelated tangent, I could also use a Mac SE/30 motherboard,
which has similarly eluded me. (:
Thanks.
ok
-r
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[ urs longa | vita brevis ]
<If you download the latest elks kernel source - 0.0.67 at the moment bu
<0.0.68 is due out anytime, along with elkscmd.tar.gz you will have an
<almost complete Linux subset for the 8086 with which you can then work.
<The acronym ELKS is 'Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset' but the project is
That's interesting but linux on a 386 is still frustrating me to the
max!
Allison
At 11:20 AM 1/4/98 -0600, you wrote:
>of people out there who like to play old computer games, but you think
>the software owners shouldn't be free to sell to that market because
>there's no gain in productivity or increase in "harm"? What about
>learning or enjoyment?
If you can find any message where I said that, I'd be happy to argue
against it, but I don't think I would type that in so many words. Software
companies SHOULD be able to sell these old games, but they can never expect
to get the original price out of them.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
> One of the problems with using a RS printer on a PC is that the RS units
> all (most?) add a linefeed in the printer firmware. If you do not know
> the escape sequence to disable it everything comes out doublespaced. And
> not all of their escape sequences were the same.
> - don
I've never had a problem with that...they usually print the info on the
back. My problem is the the early DMP dot matrix series (before 134, I
think) will not respond to many PC parallel ports. I've heard that Radio
Schlock has a cable to fix that, but they said no.
Anyway, these early DMP's respond to most modern motherboards. Don't know
why.
manney
> >Well, frogger is a good example of why not. I see they're bringing it
out
> >again.
>
> I played a demo of the new Frogger on my Playstation, it's NOTHING like
the
> original! Give me the original any day, it was all on the screen at one
> time!
>
> Zane
I don't mean that the new one is better, just that it doesn't seem to have
died. I loved the original one, too (on an Atari 400, as I recall.)
manney
<V7 and BSD ran fine on the PDP-11. All it will take to port ELKS will
<be somebody with access to PDP-11 hardware, a working Linux system, an
<too much time on their hands. To quote a movie from twenty years back
I have the 11/23 or 11/73 to pick from (with 30meg of disk).
I have a pdp11 C compiler (decus C) running under RT-11.
I can copy elks sources to the 11
ELKS is only an embedded kernel. Oops.
UZI unix is for z80 and could be ported too (it's in C save for
LL-drivers).
Allison
John Higginbotham <higginbo(a)netpath.net> wrote:
>Which brings up an interesting point: Why do the self appointed software
>cops go after software archives of "abandonware" that most of today's
>computers usually run too fast anyway? Do these ancient games really hurt
>todays software market? Anything 10 years old or older should be
>freeware/public domain as far as games are concerned. They don't increase
>productivity, and the collectors of these old games aren't doing any harm
>are they?
So let me get this straight: on one hand, you're saying there's a bunch
of people out there who like to play old computer games, but you think
the software owners shouldn't be free to sell to that market because
there's no gain in productivity or increase in "harm"? What about
learning or enjoyment?
I think this list proves there is some small level of demand for old
stuff... and certainly game makers like Microsoft and Atari have done
well by selling relatively inexpensive pre-made collections of
either the exact old games or updated emulations. I'm stunned by
the amount of software that has been collected and redistributed
(largely illegally) for the very good software-based emulators
for old computers. Many of these emulators have become commercial
products, again proving there's a bit of profit left in old software.
On the other hand, I agree with some of your sentiment - it would be
nice if there was a more formalized, established and accepted method
that antique computer collectors could secure the rights to redistribute
software that the owners have in fact abandoned.
For example, I've tried to track down the rights to the Terak computer,
as described on my web page. Terak was sold to CalComp, then a Sanders
company, which was later assimilated by Lockheed-Martin. Try to wind
your way through that bureaucracy to find the long-time employee who
*might* be able to track down those assets - if you could convince
them of the good intent of your interest, and that they should take
time out of their day to help you.
Similarly, I tried to clarify the rights to UCSD Pascal's p-code system.
The UCSD licensing agency has stated that the license is non-exclusive,
but in reality they have only one licensee, Cabot Systems in the UK,
who are actively trying to sell the P-System as an alternative to Java
for set-top boxes and embedded applications. Ken Bowles, author of a
well-known early book on Pascal and one of the original designers of
the P-System, believes that at least the early versions should be
public domain because they were developed by the university with
government funds, or something like that.
You can see the problem: as soon as you *ask* about the obscure software
and claim there's hundreds of people interested in using it, someone
sees dollar signs and doesn't want to simply give it away. Non-profit
collectors feel they're a "good cause" and that they'd take really
good care of the stuff, but there are collectors and publishers out
there who do seek to make a profit.
- John
Jefferson Computer Museum <http://www.threedee.com/jcm>
Yeah, BTW, how old are the RS/6K's?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: UNIX questions?
>Olminkhof wrote:
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com>
>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>> Date: Sunday, 4 January 1998 11:46
>> Subject: Re: UNIX questions?
>>
>> >It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the
>> >source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely
>> >have some results on-topic for this mailing list.
>>Ward Griffiths
>>
>> They already HAVE released the source code for OpenDOS. While it is far
>> beyond me to do anything with it, I found it very well commented and
>> interesting. I was amazed at the number of "fixes" for specific hardware.
>
>You're right -- they _have_. It wasn't there a couple of weeks ago
>when I was printing out all of the manuals (which are the best that
>I've ever seen outside of the Linux Documentation Project -- they make
>the manuals that used to come with MS-DOS look like crap). Well, that
>takes care of my lunch hour Monday while I dump it from the T-1 to a
>Zip disk. Have to remember to grab a sandwich at Blimpy's at Newark
>Penn Station in the morning.
>
>Yes, I know a Zip disk has a lot more space than will be needed -- but
>for some reason I've taken to isolating my archives to avoid confusion.
>All of my material from Tim Mann's TRS-80 site is on one, all of my
>AT&T Unix PC material is on another, and so on for the Color Computer,
>the ST, the Mod 100 etc. Eventually, I'll wind up burning a couple of
>CDs -- since somebody was kind enough to find an excuse for one at work.
>Pity that it's attached to an NT box, since I'd prefer to use proper
>Unix filenames -- but maybe I can sucker^H^H^H^H^H^Htalk my boss into
>letting me hook it up to one of my RS/6000s for a couple of hours.
>--
>Ward Griffiths
>Dylan: How many years must some people exist,
> before they're allowed to be free?
>WDG3rd: If they "must" exist until they're "allowed",
> they'll never be free.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ward Donald Griffiths III <gram(a)cnct.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, 4 January 1998 11:46
Subject: Re: UNIX questions?
>It'll be nice when Caldera follows up on their promise to release the
>source code for CP/M and DR-DOS (now OpenDOS). _That_ will definitely
>have some results on-topic for this mailing list.
>--
>Ward Griffiths
They already HAVE released the source code for OpenDOS. While it is far
beyond me to do anything with it, I found it very well commented and
interesting. I was amazed at the number of "fixes" for specific hardware.
