On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 Philip.Belben(a)powertech.co.uk wrote:
> If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main
> reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the
> legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these.
I guess you have to grow up with the right mindset. True, the system is
bizarre, but sometimes it can work in your favor too, if you can get a
better shyster^h^h^h^h^h lawyer.
And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always
alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight,
or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your
local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all
time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas).
Jack Peacock
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Subject: RE: off topic: ridiculous law suits was Re: Compaq
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 7/22/98 5:15 PM
Jack Peacock wrote:
>And in the end, if you can't get justice any other way, there are always
>alternative options, such as a firebomb through the window at midnight,
>or for those especially egregious offenses, a business deal with your
>local mafia representative to "eliminate" the problem once and for all
>time (a time honored tradition here in Las Vegas).
> Jack Peacock
As my friend, Vinnie, once told me many years ago, "Legbreakers are cheaper
than lawyers, and often more effective". The other piece of advice he gave
me was, "Never antagonize guys whose middle name is 'The'.
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>>> Pilot and passenger die in 1947 Piper Cub afer crashing on take off.
>>> Two fatal, payment over $25,000,000. Reason, no shoulder harnesses.
[rest of story snipped - you've all seen it several times!]
> I have to throw in my 2 cents worth. You read about this stuff but you
> wonder if it really happens. IT DOES! A member of my family was one of
> the defendents in a trial very similar to this. The thing about that trial
> that amazed me was the facts that were keep FROM the jury. The behind the
> scenes rangling to suppress evidence was incredible. It's no wonder
> lawyers get such huge settlements considering how the jurys are
> manipulated and spoon feed only what the lawyers want them to hear.
What price the oath to tell "the whole truth"?
(In danger of getting seriously off topic here!)
If our American friends will forgive my patriotic prejudice, the main
reason I have less than no wish to go and work/live in the US is the
legal system and culture that generates occurrences like these.
It is marginally (but only marginally) better over here - European
harmonisation is making it worse, as did the Margaret Thatcher
premiership...
Philip.
On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Lawrence Walker wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Wayne Cox wrote:
> > > Hi, I was given this email address as being the "Classic Computer
> > > Collectors List." Not sure if it is a "subscribe to" mailing list or an
> > > individual.
> >
> > This is THE place 8-) Hope you got subscribed ok - if not - try again.
> > ...
> > Name: Classic Computer Rescue List
> > URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/1055/classic.html
> > (Collectors by areas)
> > Name: The Classic Computer Encyclopedia Page
> > URL: http://www.xnet.com/~danjo/classic/
> > (Darn near dead - no input for about 6 months...)
> > Name: Classic Computer ListOp
> > URL: http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp/
> > (Hmmmm... Bill - ya want to move this to a working system?)
> >
>
> And don't forget Bill Yakowenko's classiccmp distributed Web-page archives at
>
> http://www .cs.unc.edu/~yakowenk/classiccmp
Uh, I took that down due to zero participation. A distributed anything
with only one node is a truly pitiful sight.
There is still a web page there, but now it's just my own little corner
of the web - no more grand schemes.
Bill.
Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com> wrote:
> DC600 carts are the _physical_ media on which data is stored. I wasn't
> saying DC600 is a format nor was QICxx a format HP uses (never knew what
> protocol HP used 'til you mentioned HCD a bit later in yr msg.)
Yes, the physical carts seem to be the same -- it's easy enough to
scribble over the HCD formatting with a QIC format, at which point the
tape is no longer usable in an HCD drive.
So far as I know the HCD formatting must be written at the factory, and
the tapes I've seen have had either HP or 3M labels on them.
HP also seems to put down its own higher-level format on the tapes
that it sells. Here's a story:
Once upon a time the purchasing agent found she could save a few bucks
ordering the 3M flavor of the tapes, and so we got one for testing.
Well...on the 3000, the software for manipulating these things treats
them as serial discs (which is exactly as wacky as it sounds, the tape
drive is a CS/80 device and so the tapes are addressed by block), and
so you're supposed to use the VINIT tool to format the "disc" and
"serialize" it (i.e. write a volume label that says "this is a serial
disc" for auto-volume recognition to read later). So what I noticed
in my tests was that the 3M tape, when new, took 15 minutes for the
FORMAT step, vs. the HP tapes which took seconds. I suspect that the
time was taken by the tape drive formatting the tape and writing out
the canonical CS/80 stuff like bad-block sparing tables and so forth,
and that HP does this at their factory.
-Frank McConnell
Fine, fine, if you insist...in ' The Soul of a New Machine', it is
mentioned that IBM in the late '70s was in court almost continuously.
What was the bulk of this about?
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> Thread getting old now...how about talking about abortion, politics, or
> environmental issues? Or maybe ice fishing. Cripes...
Cripes ?????
H.
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> While we're on this subject, are stupid lawsuits as common in UK
> and other countries as the US?
No, at least in Germany most of these laughable cases are
rejectet from court. But we like to laugh about the US system.
Gruss
H.
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> Hans Franke wrote:
>> b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone
>> in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue)
>> exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor.
> Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor?
Sorry German tech talk - a/b are the 'names' of the two wires
for two wire (analogue) telephone connections - and an a/b-adaptor
is just a ISDN <-> analogue converter - so you van connect old
phones (dtmf and pulse) to ISDN lines.
> I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to
> make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to
> type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *?
> Suggestions?
SHIFT-ALT-CTRL-1 ?
Grin(s)
H.
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Hans Franke wrote:
> b) I had, until I switched to ISDN, still a 1927 Telephone
> in every day use. Worked fine, even with the latest (analogue)
> exchange :) - Noy I connect it via an a/b adaptor.
Well done. But, pardon my ignorance, what is an a/b adaptor?
I've often wondered about adding a BCD-DTMF chip and a pulse counter to
make dial phones do tones for all the robots you ring up and have to
type numbers to communicate with. But where do I put # and *?
Suggestions?
Philip.
