Here is a list of DEC gear I must get rid of. It's a sizeable part
remaining of that Great Haul I had back in Summer '98. Setting out in our
garage. Also, some miscellaneous items are listed at end.
Absolutely no room to keep the machines as I must soon clear out a storage
cubicle upon which I'm paying $62/month rent. I could certainly better use
those bucks for paying bills and also want my radio items stored at home.
Can't contact anymore -nor find thru searching to the best of my ability-
the previous party who was interested.
So it goes to the list. Come an' get it!:
** VAX 11/750 with a TU78 console tape cartridge (diagnostics? boot?) Was
mainline system at the place I got all this gear from. Office had been
closed since 1994 and equipment stored there. Owner decided to not renew
his lease and had to get rid of everything fast (in the meantime, I
discovered this and bought a truckload of goodies :-) Reportedly has VMS
5.3 or 5.4 plus several diff. language compilers on the RA81's listed next.
Set of six TU78 cartidges with VMS 5.3 on them.
** RA81 in 40" rack (p/o the 750).
** TU80 tape with RA81 drive in 40" rack (p/o the 750).
** PDP-11/24 w/FPF11 (M8188) floating pt. option, two RL02's all in 40"
cabinet. Cabinet is same physical size as the 750's cabinet (40" high,
about same width & depth.) Console prompt okay but need to fix RL02 problem.
** PDP-11/34A in a 40" rack. Not complete. Old, early style, square-edged
shaped metal programmer's panel. Not the stylized plastic shape most are.
** RL02, at least three units *not* including the two in the 11/24. Fault
lights appear on two or three (yes, I checked them while hanging off my
11/34A with RL controller :-)
** RL01, one unit. Fault light, IIRC.
** RK07's, four units. One is known to come up without a fault. Another has
rather noisy spindle bearing. Others Fault, IIRC.
** RK611 system unit for BA11 with all five boards. Came out of the 11/34A
I'm keeping.
** RA60 (needs to be fixed) Seems to be a platter motor driver problem. No
spin-up, IIRC. Two disk pacs included.
Note: I strongly suspect this RA60 went with my 11/34A, which I'm keeping,
as the box had the UDA50 boardset installed and of which was up and running
next to the 11/750 at the ex-owners' office. So, probably 11/34A-specific
software on the pacs. It's RSX-11 v. 4.2 or 4.3 I rather suspect. *Think* I
have an extra UDA50 boardset boxed up somewhere. There's a set in the 11/24
I know. Then again, it could have hung off the /24 as it, the RA60 and the
/34A were all setting near the 750. Rest of the stuff on this list, except
for two RK07s, were crammed into a small storeroom up the hall.
** decwriter I (LA180) page printer. Not checked.
** decwriter II (LA36) printing console. Not checked.
** decwriter III (LA120) (Typical printing console device for the 11/750,
et al). Not checked.
(BTW: What's the exact differences between the decwriter II and
decwriter III ??? I've got no documentation on them.)
** ADM-11 terminals, two units. Not checked (as of yet).
** VT100 terminals & kbds. Two or three units. Working fairly well IIRC.
** DECmagtape system. TS03 drive and TMB11 I/F (together called a TMB11-M
system). Mounted in a DEC 6' tall PDP rack (with the purple and magenta
trimpiece at the top). TMB11 I/F mounted in a 10.5" BA11 box. Not checked.
Has two of the three RL02's mentioned above residing in the rack. Uses 7"
dia. tape reels mentioned next.
** tapes 7" size, 800 BPI, about 85 of them
** 7' tall tape storage rack for hanging above tapes.
** RK07 disk pacs, about 20 or so.
** RL01 disk pacs, about 20 or so. Have to sort out some to keep on hand
for an RL01 I'm keeping.
** RL02 disk pacs, about 25-30 or so. Same, have to select-out some for one
or two RL02s I'm keeping.
Here's something from my collection which *must* go because of severe space
limitations:
** Tektronix 4015-1 graphics terminal, two units, same as 4014 except
includes APL keyboard and 19" screen. I've had these in the collection for
14+ years and they still worked when last checked in '97. RS232
communications. Came out of the old IBM Endicott plant in '84/'85 when they
"downsized" (jeeeze, I dislike that word now since I had personally
experienced it last year :( ) Kinda big.
** Zenith Z19 terminals, two or three. One I know has defective RS232
chips, other(s) are okay.
** Zenith Z90. Carterphone OEM version. Some additional boards and parts
go with it too. Worked, no floppy installed.
** Teletype ASR33 (one or more units). One or more may function. Need
relubing/adjustment.
** Bunches of Zenith Z150-series boxen and keyboards. 15 sets I think, in
various conditions.
I might dredge up some more smaller stuff to toss onto this listing as time
allows. There's certainly more to go.
I'm waffling on getting rid of my VAX 11/730 which needs mass storage of
some sort added and some other minor restoration. It's a small big iron VAX
which makes me unsure whether to get rid of it so far.
If ya want to contribute a little $$ on top of shipping/packing material
costs I sure won't complain! :-)
Smaller items could be shipped but the big stuff should be picked up
(unless you're prepared to pay the freight costs for it).
Phone: 1.716.488.1722 from 08:00 to 20:30 EST. Location: Western NY State,
off the NYS Rt 17(very soon to be I-86), just past West side of Jamestown
on Rt. 394.
Thanks for your interest. Please take it away soon!
Regards, Chris
-- --
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
I'm restoring a TRS-80 model 1, 16K level II basic, cassette tape version
(though I dont have a cassette tape player yet, just lots of tape software).
Anyways, every key seems to have keybounce problems. These keys are the kind
with a rectangular tube which, when depressed, allows two contacts (one flat
and one with about 4 prongs) to come into contact with each other. There is
a strange mustard-like substance in each key in various places near the
contacts.
I'm wondering if this yellow stuff is supposed to be there, ie, is it some
sort of conductive rust preventative? Is it supposed to be the color of old
mustard, or has it seriously decayed in the past 21+ years?
Suggestions on how to properly clean/refurbish this to near-new condition
would be appreciated.
-Lawrence LeMay
"Bob Supnik's is quite excellent with better support
>from the looks of things"
What is the status now of Bob's work, now that he has left DEC?
I thought I heard that Megan was working on 10 support, for example.
Well, for those of us who cant have our own 11/34s, here's hte next
best thing:
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From: Hartmut Brandt <brandt(a)fokus.gmd.de>
Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp11
Subject: Version 2.4 of the p11 PDP-11 emulator
Date: 19 Nov 1999 15:04:33 GMT
Organization: GMD-FIRST
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Message-ID: <813ou1$lp7$1(a)freebsd.first.gmd.de>
NNTP-Posting-Host: scotty.fokus.gmd.de
User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990805 ("Preacher Man") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.0-CURRENT
(i386))
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Version 2.4 of p11 - the Begemot PDP-11 emulator - is available on
ftp.fokus.gmd.de:/pub/cats/usr/harti/p11. This release supports the following
platforms:
FreeBSD 4.0
Sparc-Solaris 2.[5678]
Redhat-Linux
It will possibly work on FreeBSD [23].* and other Linux variants.
To build it you need libbegemot (avalaible in the same location), gcc and
gmake. Previous versions also built on BSD/OS and SunOS.
A version of the emulator is run on one of our machines. Try one of the
following (it may not always be available):
telnet scotty.fokus.gmd.de 10000
telnet scotty.fokus.gmd.de 10001
telnet scotty.fokus.gmd.de 10002
telnet scotty.fokus.gmd.de 10003
to get connected to one of the four available terminals. If telnet
connects, but this terminal is currently in use, you'll get a short
message. You should then try connecting to another port. Once you are
online, log into 2.11BSD with username and password guest/guest1.
Don't forget to logout, before disconnecting with telnet.
Note, that there is an IP connection to the host machine, but not to the
outside world (this is due to IP routing restrictions in out network).
The current implementation emulates a KDJ11A, one or more RLV12, RHV??, RK11
disk controllers, a boot ROM, one or more KL11A controllers, on FreeBSD and
Linux a DEQNA ethernet adapter, a read-only TM11 tape and a standard line
printer interface. A boot ROM (with source code) to boot from RL/RK and RP
discs is included.
On a 450MHz Pentium-III a full 'make world install' of 2.11BSD takes around 6
hours, which is several times faster than a real PDP. Floating point
performance is even higher.
The emulator hast tested with 2.11BSD, RSX and RSX-PLUS, RT V4, V[4567]-Unix
and XXDP.
Enjoy,
Harti B. Brandt
--
harti brandt,
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private
brandt(a)fokus.gmd.de, harti(a)begemot.org
It seems to me that there are cases such as government funded privately (by
contract) generated documents in which ownership of the information is
public, but ownership of the document itself, i.e. the layout, text
formatting, etc, is property of the party or parties who generate and print
it. In the case of hardware, the information is part of a patent, not part
of the document in which it is presented, therefore subject to prevailing
patent law not copyright. This, like most legal matters, is probably
subject to the whim of whatever court your adversary manages to get to hear
the matter if you don't beat him to the punch, however, until such time as
superior court decisions etch it in firmer material.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Classic Hardware Documentation Project
>> Public Domain? Not if there's any indication of a copyright on them.
>
>> That disclaimer you plan to write will not cut it if there is a copyright
>> on the documents. Very few documents could be considered PD unless they
did
>> not have a specific copyright notice OR if there is a general specific
>> release given by the copyright holder to PD OR the copyright holder gives
>> *you* permission to hang it out on your website for the public to see
with
>> a notice stating the copyright holder still retains copyright. Recently
>> revised copyright laws make *everything* copyrighted nowadays.
>
>ALso you may have to take into account that other countries may have
>complete different Copyright laws. For example, German law defines
>three complete different positions within:
>a) The Copyright is strictly limited to natural persons. No company
> or whatsever may hold a copyright. Also a person is _unable_ to
> sell this right. If you are issueing some work, it's yours until
> the end of time. Business is still not restricted, since you are
> entiteled to sell comerial usage of your work on a royality base.
> These comercial right are also only valid for a limited time beyond
> your lifespan.
>b) To be copyrighted a pice of work has to reach a 'non trivial level'.
> So a simple note may or may not be copyrighted - even a book may not,
> althrough based on regular court decisions it's hard to do this.
>b) There is no thing like Public Domain. Every work (if it reaches a
> defined level) is copyrighted. It is just impossible to give up your
> copyright (like it's impossible to give up your human rights - well
> basicly the same idea). You may choose not to use your right and
> pursue violators, but never give up your basic copyright.
>
>Well, this isn't ideal world, so in every days business the situation
>is the same.
>
>Gruss
>H.
To whoever may be interested:
Would anyone be interested in a donation of a 286 AT clone, equipped with
a 20MB hard drive, 5 1/4-in floppy, and Samsung monochrome monitor? The
machine no longer operates, so it may be of interest only as a museum piece
representative of a common desktop computer of the mid-1980s. If anyone is
interested, please reply to my email address below.
Sincerely,
Steve Jaskoski
stevejaskoski(a)hotmail.com
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I've now got a little more info about those machines in Woodbridge VA.
Here is an excerpt from the e-mail:
> If you have one or two people that are serious about this, that would be ok,
> but maybe not a dozen.... I looked around a bit on Friday and the DEC is a
> PDP 11/34, there are several old IBM (and other ) pc's, printers (atleast 2
> NEC spinwriters and other Oki, epson and Lord knows what else) and boxes &
> boxes of old software. Boxes of old boards.... just a plethora of fun, sorta
> like going thru Grammas attic...
Unfortunately, it sounds like mostly PC stuff. And he does not want to
deal with a dozen different people.
So, I'd like to choose two designated information-collectors to meet
at the warehouse (or factory, or whatever it is) and make a list of
what's there. If these things are really going for free, we'll want
to work out a way of avoiding conflicts, so nobody feels cheated. I
suggested that this guy may want to take offers as a way of resolving
it, but I don't know if he'll do that. If he does, I recommend
bidding _low_, since he wasn't planning to make money out of this.
I expect he will choose a date in the first weekend of December for
viewing the heap. (He will be out of town this weekend.) If you want
to volunteer to be on the info-collection team, let me know. If I get
more than two, I'll choose by rolling dice. If a chosen person has
to back out, I'll roll the dice again.
Also, after this, I will be sending only to the list of people who
have expressed an interest, not to the entire classiccmp list. If
you want to be kept informed, and are seeing this only through the
classiccmp mailing list, you need to let me know to add you to my
own list of interested people.
Cheers,
Bill.
From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
>ODT, yes...
What are the commands available? And where can I find the boot sequences?
Which is kindofa moot point right now because I don't have an os disk. ;(
And what are all the device names?
Thanks yet again,
- Mike
