Hi Everyone!
The largest single remaining collection of historical DEC equipment in the
world arrives at the History Center in three 51 foot tractor trailers this
coming Tuesday, December 14 and Thursday, December 16th. Thanks to Compaq
Corporation, this tremendous "family tree" of DEC equipment will be
preserved for future generations to enjoy, study from, and marvel at.
Thanks to Compaq also for underwriting the shipping of this unique
collection to the History Center in Mountain View where it will form part
of the Center's permanent collection. Highlights from the donation include:
VAX 11/750
VAX 11/780
VAX 11/780 Eastern block clone
VAX 11/730
VAX 8300
VAX 9000
LINC 8
PDP-1
PDP-4
PDP-5
PDP-6
PDP-7
PDP-8A/E/L/M
PDP-9
PDP-9L
PDP-10 (KA)
PDP-11/23
PDP-11/40
PDP-11/60
PDP-12
PDP-15
VT52
VT320
VT100
VT100 AA GIGI
Hundreds more items including tape drives, disk drives, manuals, line
printers, sfotware, museum displays, &c.
These items will form the backbone of a new exhibit, scheduled to open to
the public in January, 2000, on DEC's many pioneering contributions to
computing. I will post images of the unloading for everyone within the
next few days at the following URL:
http://www.computerhistory.org/events/latest/
In the meantime, if you have any questions about the donation or about the
History Center generally, please feel free to drop me a line.
Best wishes,
Dag.
--
Dag Spicer
Curator & Manager of Historical Collections
Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing
The Computer Museum History Center
Building T12-A
NASA Ames Research Center
Mountain View, CA 94035
Offices: Building T12-A
Exhibit Area: Building 126
Tel: +1 650 604 2578
Fax: +1 650 604 2594
E-m: spicer(a)computerhistory.org
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Read about the latest History Center developments in
"CORE," our quarterly on-line newsletter:
http://www.computerhistory.org/events/core/1.1/
I wrote:
>(preferably, something with a "less intelligent" interface. It's rarely
>good when the peripheral thinks you know better than it what you want it to
>do!)
Reverse that last sentence to apply the DWIM [1] operator
to my typing :-)
Tim.
[1] Do What I Meant
< As far as I remember, the Intellec 8 was for 8008's
<I'm reasonably sure that the 8080 were only in the
<MDS800's. I have an old Intel catalog that has these
Ths is correct. The MDS800 was after the intellec8I
the intellec II was the MDS200 series II
< The 8048 was a much later product. It came out just before
<the Series II was the main development tool for Intel
No after.
<parts. They did have a SDK for 8048's. It was like
<older SBC in that it had LED's, keypad and programmer
<socket on a single PC board.
Prompt48, small box with keypad two sockets and display. It could program
8748, and do a passable in circuit emulation using the romless part.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Hewlett Packard A2094 Monitor (Standard RGB ?)
>> >> H Frequency : 68.7
>> >
>> >US TV is 15.570kHz, VGA is 31.25kHz or thereabouts.
>>
>> No, the US TV (NTSC) Scan Rate is 15.750Khz
>
>Yes, you're right (525 lines/picture * 30 pictures/second). It was just a
>typo, honest :-)
I have seen the quality of information you provide here... I am sure it was
a typo... I wasn't following the thread so I wanted to make sure the guy
wasn't going to line up something at 15570 ;-)
john
PDP-8 and other rare mini computers
http://www.pdp8.com
>
>-tony
>
>
*Snort!* One of the few places I've seen that makes the
prices on E-Bay look cheap. Their target market is definitely
*not* hobbyists.
On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:53:00 -0500 CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com writes:
> >There was a lot of local interest in these machines back in about
> '78. =
> >California Digital, a sometime surplus vendor
>
> Still a reliable surplus vendor, incidentally:
>
> http://www.cadigital.com/
>
> Perhaps the best-known NOS selection of 8" floppy drives anywhere in
> the
> world, as well as 8" media and cleaning kits.
>
> --
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:40:29 +0000
Reply-to: listproc(a)u.washington.edu
From: listproc(a)u.washington.edu
To: jpero(a)cgocable.net
Cc: dpeschel(a)u.washington.edu
Subject: Silly Dealers and comments
Modified email due to emailing list requirements.
Hi,
> $69USD for a 2x Acer CD-ROM??? We sell Creative 48X's for $65 and make a
> decent profit at that...
Creative's cd drives *knocks* who? who? Creative only resells cdrom
drives that they could find cheapest batch of that. I rather not to.
> $9.59USD for 1 CD-R Media??? We sell 'em $15 for a box of 10...
That's would be good quality CD-R media like TDK, KAO, Sony etc.
Cheap cd-r's do cause problems. I just heard from my friend who
tried Memorex and few other "inexpensive" brands and it didn't do
very well. What is the brand of those box of 10 cd-r your business
are selling?
No, not from that dealer. From reputable resellers when I buy stuff.
Wizard
Does anyone know about a computer called a Byte with the following specs?
RAM - 48 Kb
ROM - 16 Kb
External memory - Tape recorder or 5" FDD
Type of processor - Z80A (UA880)
Format of displaying information, graphic mode - 256 points ? 192 points
Software, keeping in ROM - program-interpreter of language "Basik"
Amount of sound synthesizer channels - 4
Amount simultaneously displayed colors, not less - 15
Weight, not more - 4,5 kg
Presence of alphabets - Russian, Latin, Russian - Latin
Time of entering-conclusion of block logical information with size of 1 Kbyte, seconds - 5
Any help would be appreciated!
There was a lot of local interest in these machines back in about '78. California Digital, a sometime surplus vendor, ran ads in the mags of the time, e.g. BYTE and Kilobaud, for the digital cassette drives that went on these WP machines. Out here, in the hinterland, we thought those would be a potential improvement over the audio cassettes many of us were using to store data, hence we jumped on 'em. Wayne Wall wrote a simple loader/saver to run with them and, ultimately, Peter Boyle, author of the XPL0 language for the 6502,et al, wrote a floppy file system which Wayne Wall adapted for these tape drives. This later reappeared as the "APEX" os for various 6502-based machines.
Unfortunately, Chuck Robertson and I were the only ones who went so far as to package a pair of the drives together for use on the same system. Chuck modified the "TFS" tape file system for use with a pair of drives, but the only copy of that was damaged beyond repair during a fixit session between Wayne, Chuck, and me, (I wasn't even smart enough to be dangerous where this TFS stuff was concerned) and the TFS then slid into oblivion.
Floppies, in the meantime went down in price, and someone gave Wayne Wall an Apple-][ . . . so you can imagine what happened to the tape drive effort. It only held about 250 kB, on a 60-minute audio cassette, and it took about two minutes to run the tape from one end to the other when searching for a record. Nobody had yet thought to put the directory in the middle of the tape. Once one had used a floppy there was no chance he'd want to use these for a file-oriented OS. Oh, well.
I still have the box with the pair of drives in it, by the way.
Dick
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Barton <mjbarton(a)erols.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 6:42 PM
I recieved a Lexitron Word Processor at ... a yard sale. No diskettes to get the thing to run. Can you help in any way so I can either trash it or use it?? Thanks in advance
<Based on the info I found there about three months ago it looks as if the
<UMDA/66's are about the same as a U2W drive. To get the real advantage yo
<have to go with RAID and disk stripping. Also, unless I'm misreading thing
<UDMA/66 puts about the same load on the processor as SCSI. Yes, SCSI is
<still superior, BUT the difference is so slight that you have to ask if th
<added cost is worth it.
Yes this is all bogus. As a single drive UDMA faster but two scsi drives
are still faster as with UDMA (Still IDE) you can only talk to one spindle
at a time. SCSI you can have seven on like and with some of the fancier
stuff you have the ability to talk to all of them! This makes a real
difference if you have system on one, Swap on another and Data on a third.
When you interleave like that with queued IO then the difference is
substantial. Also RAID with IDE is really flakey!
Allison
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