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-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 6:10 PM
Subject: FW: Cleaning My Room
> Attention, would-be rescuers in or near Milwaukee, WI! There's a
>graduating student (Josh Hulbert) looking to get rid of a VAXen and PDP-11
>(unknown model) as freebies.
>
> If interested, contact him directly. Best of luck!
>
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>
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:26:47 -0600 (CST)
>From: Joshua Hulbert <hulbertj(a)msoe.edu>
>To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org
>Subject: Cleaning My Room
>Sender: port-vax-owner(a)netbsd.org
>Delivered-To: port-vax(a)netbsd.org
>
>Hello All,
>
>I will be graduating at the end of this quarter and moving several hundred
>miles away from my dorm, so I need to minimize the amount of stuff I take
>with me. I have the following VAX-related equipment, free for the taking:
>
>VS2000, with VR-160-DA, LK201, and puck-mouse. I have the 3-meter long
>cable for this one. It has an RD-54, and a RAM expansion to 20MB IIRC. I
>know it boots and runs NetBSD just fine, but there is nothing on the RD54.
>
>PDP-11: I know next to nothing about this thing. I picked it up for $10
>at American Science and Surplus. From what I could gather, it may have
>been a terminal server or something. It doesn't have enough RAM to load
>an OS, but it has some funky ROM card. If anyone is interested, I can
>send the M-numbers on the cards in the cage.
>
>Heres the catch: You have to come get it, as shipping would exceed the
>value of these boxes. I live in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin (USA).
>Again, if anyone is interested, I can send part numbers on all the parts.
>
>Joshua Hulbert
>Senior Electrical Engineer
>Milwaukee School of Engineering
>
>
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>Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
>http://www.bluefeathertech.com
>Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
>SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
>"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
>human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
>
<How big is this classic likely to be?
Typically one rack or possible a BA23 pedestal may be a BA123 end table.
<Most PDPs I've seen were refridgerator sized, with washing machine
<sized disk drives, tape drives,etc. Is that about what I can expect,
< or is the 11/83 one of the later, smaller 11s?
Smaller though It could be in a single rack with a big drive or have big
drives in seperate racks. The cpu card is however a single board
about 10.5x9 inches. (It's mid->late80s design)
<How heavy might it be? Would it be a lifting job for 2? 4? 8?
If in H960 (31dx21Wx*h * can be 30,40,50,60 inches typically 40) rack two
as it can easily weigh 200-400 pounds depending on what in the rack with
it. all of the weight is the rack and peripherals. If ba23 (30x24x9 inches,
pedestal) about 90 pounds, ba123 (28x26x13 inches, end table) 110pounds.
<Does it require special power? My home isn't wired for anything beyond
<household current.
Not unless it's set up with external RA8x drives. The basic system
used MFM 5.25 drives and was not a power hog. My 11/73 and with
Rx02 and and RL02 is very light on power(2x->3x a PC) and it's of
similar scale. An excellent hobbiest machine of the small iron class.
<Any help would be much appreciated. I'd love to save this machine, but
<there are limits to my space/money/housemate's patience.
Grab it! if too big you can pass it on. The 11/83 was a really good
machine using the Qbus backplane and generally small in size. It likely
most Qbus PDP-11s can be expanded to really immense systems but in the ear
it was sold it was most likely a physically small machine.
Of the microprocessor version of the PDP-11 (11/03, 11/23, 11/53, 11/73,
11/83 and the 11/93) it's one of the faster ones and a good catch.
(hint {11/05, 11/10, 11/20, 11/3x, 11/4x, 11/60 11/70 11/84} it's a big 11
with unibus and (11/03, 11/23, 11/53, 11/73, 11/83. 11/93) it's a micro
based 11 with Qbus and generally smaller.
It can run RT-11, RSTS, RSX-11 and most of the *nix versions with 2.11
being a good fit. The PUPs list (pups(a)minnie.adfa.oz.au) can set you up
with a license for all PDP-11 unix for 100$ and also has an archive.
Allison
Kindly reply to Gary, not to me:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wanted: Operational "Decmate II" system, manufactured by Digital
> Equipment Corporation in the mid-1980's. I live in Seattle.
> Please contact Gary Christenson: stlhdr(a)scn.org
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anyone have or know where to find a 2.5" to 2.5" hard drive adapter
(lets you use a laptop drive in a desktop)? My laptop just died
(vertical/horizontal lines on screen, and that's it), and I NEED to get a
report off of the HD.
ThAnX!
///--->>>
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
These Data General NOVA 2s are being sold AS IS. They are
not in racks. They are the 10 slot version. They are in very good
external condition. The DG name plate has been removed and
replaced with an OEM's (STS - Systems Technologies Services),
otherwise everything is DG original.
Each has the following 3 boards:
* CPU
* Basic I/O
* 16K core memory
These computers run from 110VAC and come with a regular
domestic, 3-prong electrical plug and cord.
No documentation.
US$175 each plus shipping. Depending on where you live and
considering the dimensions and weight of each NOVA, shipping
will be between US$60 to 100.
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Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca
+1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5
Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from
the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles.
Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers &
Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6
.
Wasn't a 5 or 10 MB FH HD available for the PC?
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-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: IBM PC 5150 with no drives?
>No, The PC and XT both came with FH drives. The XT also came with a FH hard
>drive.
>
> Joe
>
>At 08:35 AM 3/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Was the 5150 the only one delivered with full-height drives? I've seen
>>both on the 5160, but don't know which is original.
>>
>>On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Lawrence Walker wrote:
>>
>>> On 14 Mar 99 at 23:19, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
>>>
>>> > There wasa also a 5162 PC. We've got a couple of them. Does anyone
>know
>>> > how they were set up? full height or half height floppies? Any hard
>drives?
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Tony Duell wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >My understanding is that some of the very first 5150s did ship
>with no
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I have heard people talk about a 5150 a few times, where are some
>good pics
>>> > > > and specs so I can appear less dumb in the future?
>>> > >
>>> > > It's the original (1981-ish) IBM Personal Computer. The other common
>(for
>>> > > this group) numbers are :
>>> > >
>>> > > 5150 PC
>>> > > 5151 MDA monitor
>>> > > 5152 Graphics printer
>>> > > 5153 CGA monitor
>>> > > 5154 EGA monitor
>>> > > 5155 Portable PC (sewing machine style case)
>>> > >
>>> > > 5160 PC/XT
>>> > > 5161 Expansion Chassis
>>> > >
>>> > > 5170 PC/AT
>>> > >
>>> > > 5140 PC convertable (laptop) ?
>>> > >
>>> > > Now why do I remeber the above?
>>> > >
>>> > > -tony
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>> That one set me searching my books and files.
>>> It's an XT 286 Scott Mueller's book has full system architecture specs.
>>>
>>> 80286 cpu at 6mhz w/0 wait states
>>> 640k mem
>>> 1.2M 1/2 ht fdd and 20m hdd came standard but it will
>>> support an additional 1/2 ht. Either 5 1/4, or 3 1/2
>>> 720/1440.
>>> Damn ! Another to add to my "stuff"
>>>
>>> To Tony's list could also be added
>>> 3270 PC an XT with 3270 connectivity
>>> 5279 ? it's monitor (have one but it's buried)
>>>
>>> XT 370 giving connectivity to and emulation of the S/370
>>>
>>> AT 3270 like the XT model but based on an AT
>>>
>>> 5144 PC Convertable mono monitor
>>> 5145 PC Convertable colour monitor
>>>
>>> And then at the height of his power the Big Blue God created
>>> the mighty PS/2 8580, MCA , and VGA
>>>
>>> ciao larry
>>> lwalker(a)interlog.com
>>>
>>
>>M. K. Peirce
>>Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
>>215 Shady Lea Road,
>>North Kingstown, RI 02852
>>
>>"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
>>
>> - Ovid
>>
>>
>
>
Hi Ethan,
Good luck, I've scoured the Flea Market twice (once on Friday and once
today) and there just ain't any DEC stuff here. One guy had a box of
Q-bus boards with a uVAX-II CPU plus some 8MB memory boards. If I had
need of them they might have been a deal at $10/each. And the guts of an
11/34a. Neither looked like it has been treated well. I did find a PDP-8
core stack but it was in a display case at my friends office where we
got some free tickets (sigh.) I did pick up some Nifty LCDs though for
$7 that I'm going to use to create a "disk bay console" ala the Linux
stuff.
--Chuck
About a week or so ago, I asked about IBM PCs... I had received
a few when we saved the decsystem-10s (they had been used as
consoles). I wasn't sure what they were (and hadn't really
looked at their model numbers) and asked how I might identify
IBM PCs...
I got lots of good info... and today (while cleaning the museum,
er, my apartment) I put them together and powered them up. They
both work...
One is a 5160, one is a 5150. The 5160 has what I think is a
10Mbyte hard drive and a full height 5.25" floppy. The 5150 has
again a 10Mbyte hard drive and a half height 5.25" floppy. Are
the floppies what account for the difference betweeen the 5160
and the 5150, or is there something else?
Otherwise the monitors, keyboards and units work fine... I think
I may put one up on ebay...
L@@K!! RARE!!! :-)
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
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Is there a sure-fire way to determine if a sun mouse is a type 2 versis
type 3? It looks like the mice for type 3 have little side-pins on
the connector, so is it reasonable to assume that mice without this
feature are for sun-2 series computers?
I figured i'd go through the box of old sun mice at work, since they
are all so old as to predate any hardware we still have in operation.
Looks like there are quite a few sun3 mice, possibly a few sun 2.
-Lawrence LeMay
Hi! does anyone have any HP-HIL mice? I recently got a keyboard for my
Vectra RS/25c, but now I need a mouse for it. Anyone know what drivers I
can use for it?
Also - are there any drivers for the [HP-HIL] keyboard? There's some keys
on it that don't appear to do anything (such as "reset" and "menu").
There's also some blank (programmable?) keys.
When I boot, it says "keyboard connector not functioning" I'm assuming this
is the 5-pin DIN AT connector, but when I hook a keyboard up to it, it won't
function correctly (F-keys and number pad won't work). The HP-HIL keyboard
works fine, but I get the error.
ThAnX,
///--->>>
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
