I have a pair of these that I picked up a while back. Does anyone have
the docs for them? Can someone tell me what kind of ICs are supposed to be
in sockets A17 and A24 on the SDK-86 board. The ones on mine are missing.
Joe
> At 02:44 PM 10/17/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> >Now, an unimagineable amount of message traffic, much of it
> >having serious potential research use, is gone.
>
> This site says the approximately 16 million postings from
> October 1996 to late 1998 consumes 592 gigabytes:
>
> http://www.archive.org/collections/index.html#Usenet
Well, that's hopeful...
> but of course earlier posts are much less space.
>
> http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/index.html has May 1981-1982.
Of course, in those days, a lot of message traffic was on
The Source and CompuServe (didn't The Source grow from what
used to be called MicroNet?). Then later ('85-???), there was
also BIX (Byte Information eXchange).
I Miss BIX!
> With 30 gig drives at less than $200...
Our firm is looking at optical NAS/SAN in ranges from about
300GB to 1.24TB, but I doubt we'll be able to help host these
archives...'
:-)
-dq
At 02:44 PM 10/17/00 -0400, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
>Now, an unimagineable amount of message traffic, much of it
>having serious potential research use, is gone.
This site says the approximately 16 million postings from
October 1996 to late 1998 consumes 592 gigabytes:
http://www.archive.org/collections/index.html#Usenet
but of course earlier posts are much less space.
http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/index.html has May 1981-1982.
With 30 gig drives at less than $200...
- John
From Feb 11 2000 on this list:
Several times in the past I've ranted to this list about my hope
for a more ancient version of DejaNews, a web archive of old
Usenet posts. Below is an e-mail I received from someone who
has the start of an archive. He's searching for more volunteers
for the project. I think this would be a tremendous resource
for classic computer collectors and historians.
- John
To: John Foust <jfoust(a)threedee.com>
Subject: Re: Old usenet news?
From: Michael Stutz <stutz(a)dsl.org>
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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:16:57 -0500
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Been thinking about a potential Usenet archive restoration project
lately, how such a project might work.
I don't think it's a one-man job -- too many people are probably going
to have different ideas on how to store it, availability, interface,
etc.
This is what I think needs to happen:
- there needs to be some kind of public discussion area for the
project (like a newsgroup or mailing list)
- a repository needs to be put in place, where people can send their
archives. any size would probably be good enough to begin with, even a
few gigs. hard drives are cheap now and it shouldn't be too difficult
for someone to be able to get at least 10gb, which i think should be
enough to at least begin assembling some of the old years, and
whatever misc. stuff from pre-95 that people have?
While I'm very interested in this, I don't have time to oversee or
coordinate it. (I assume that you don't, either?)
However, I've been assembling what notes I can -- URLs of known
archives, addresses of interested people, related threads. I've begun
putting all this together in html and plan on putting it on the web,
just to make a convergence point for likeminded individuals -- maybe
it might provide the impetus for someone else to begin such a project?
Or at least get the attention of someone who has a 20gb hard drive on
some ftp box at some university or organization somewhere, where some
of the old archives could begin to be reassembled? (I'd think such a
restoration project would make a great research project for someone,
maybe?)
As I think I mentioned before, I've got some archives from specific
groups, and a lot of old threads and even single articles saved. If there
was a coordinator and a system in place (even 1gb to start? or a box
with access to a cd-burner or some other removeable media?), I bet a
post to slashdot would draw in hundreds of people like me, or more,
with their old archives.
m
P.S. On a related note, I'd like to see an open-source replacement for
imdb.com happen, but again it's not a project I can take on right now.
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2640446,00.html
>
DejaNews has been basically useless to me since they re-hosted
everything, leaving out the USENET traffic pre-May 1999.
What really sucks about that, once upon a time, many sites
would keep archives of old USENET news traffic, usually
the ones that had a lot of following at that site, or,
groups which may have originated there.
But when DejaNews started up, many of my favorite newsgroups
lost their previous archival home, stopped archiving the feed,
and just let DejaNews handle it. At first, that seemed pretty
cool, but now...
Now, an unimagineable amount of message traffic, much of it
having serious potential research use, is gone.
Meanwhile, people like Larry Ellison are trying to convince
us that we don't need mass storage in our personal computers,
Hell, that we don't even need personal computers at all.
All we need is their web applicance.
Yeah, right...
-dq
I haven't heard from him either, I had e-mailed him asking for his address
so I could loan him my "Computer Lab Workbook" for his DEC Computer Lab..
odd..
Will J
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> I haven't heard from him either, I had e-mailed him asking for his address
>
> so I could loan him my "Computer Lab Workbook" for his DEC Computer Lab..
> odd..
>
> Will J
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Tim wrote:
>Now, if only my NeXT could have handled the MP3s. That would have been
>much cooler.
http://www.this.net/~frank/download.html
and look at NXMP3Play. Frank Siegert, the author, claims only to be able to
do 22 kHz on 25 MHz machines. I haven't used it, but it looks pretty cool.
- Mark
In 1976 the University of Missouri picked up a early graphics display
system. The heart of the system was a display controller which had a
vertically mounted hard disk in a cabinet the size of four 72" racks. The
graphics controller was in another cabinet that was also four 72" racks in
size. The cover over the disk slid apart and the platter was exposed. The
platter was about 4-5 feet in diameter. There was a vacuum pump to remove
the air when the system was closed up. There was one head for each graphic
display, you could change images by switching tracks.
Someday I'll see if I can find any pictures.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
>From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
>Subject: RE: Fleamarkets (was Re: A LART is needed (was: VCF 4.0))
>Fascinating, if it came from MIT is was probably part of the MIT
>"Whirlwind" making it an extremely valuable artifact. Too bad you didn't
>pick it up, I'm guessing it would fetch over $10K at auction.
>- --Chuck
>At 06:23 PM 10/16/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>FWIW there was what must've been a 30" disk platter
> at the MIT Flea this weekend, mounted on its
> center hub. Never saw a disk larger than 14"
> before. Didn't get the manufacturer but the
> price was $40.00 and the seller was Frank Fink.
>
>John A.
