test-drb August 2000

test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

152 participants
352 discussions

by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

>Return-Path: <> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 79455 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:07 -0000 >Received: from mail4.uswest.net (204.147.80.22) > by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:45:07 -0000 >Received: (qmail 6862 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Delivered-To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Received: (qmail 6843 invoked for bounce); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mail4.uswest.net >To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Subject: failure notice >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967643108.79464.mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail4.uswest.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > ><owner-classiccmp.org(a)uswest.net>: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)uswest.net> >Received: (qmail 6833 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.3) > by mail4.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:45:02 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17513 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:44:57 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp.org@fixme >Received: (qmail 17508 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:44:56 -0000 >Received: from zdialup204.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (216.160.11.205) > by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:44:56 -0000 >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:36:48 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830083648.00a22c20(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >From: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >To: owner-classiccmp.org >X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >remove unsubscribe stop just get me off this list > >>Return-Path: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>Received: (qmail 89075 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>Received: from mail9.uswest.net (204.147.80.27) >> by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:14 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 76541 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >> by mail9.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 11:46:13 -0000 >>Received: (from majordom@localhost) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39901 >> for classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 >-0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org) >>Errors-To: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:41:06 -0500 (CDT) >>Message-Id: <200008301141.GAA39901(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>From: "classiccmp-digest" <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>Sender: owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>To: classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org >>X-Authentication-Warning: opal.tseinc.com: majordom set sender to >owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org using -f >>Subject: classiccmp-digest V1 #356 >>Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>Precedence: bulk >>Status: U >>X-UIDL: 967635975.89086.96574.mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net >> >> >>classiccmp-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 356 >> >> >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:30:08 +0100 >>From: Adrian Graham <agraham(a)ccat.co.uk> >>Subject: RE: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >> >>They *are* taking over my computer room and garage though :) >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] >>> Sent: 26 August 2000 18:01 >>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >>> Subject: Re: large collection of vintage machines on ebay >>> >> >> >> >>WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >>The estimated size of this message is 96642 bytes. >>Click on the server retrieve icon above and check mail again to get the >whole thing. If the server retrieve icon is not showing, then this message >is no longer on the server. >> > >

25 years, 1 month

failure notice

by BRISCH＠MN.USWEST.NET

>Return-Path: <> >Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >Received: (qmail 38788 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: from mail6.uswest.net (204.147.80.24) > by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 4691 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Delivered-To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Received: (qmail 4687 invoked for bounce); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Date: 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mail6.uswest.net >To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >Subject: failure notice >Status: U >X-UIDL: 967643038.38794.mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net > >Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mail6.uswest.net. >I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. >This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > ><owner-classiccmp.org(a)uswest.net>: >Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > >--- Below this line is a copy of the message. > >Return-Path: <BRISCH(a)uswest.net> >Received: (qmail 4682 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.3) > by mail6.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:58 -0000 >Received: (qmail 17367 invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:53 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-owner-classiccmp.org@fixme >Received: (qmail 17362 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:43:52 -0000 >Received: from zdialup204.mpls.uswest.net (HELO sysnt4intr) (216.160.11.205) > by mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:43:52 -0000 >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:35:43 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000830083543.00a24c40(a)mail.mn.uswest.net> >From: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >To: owner-classiccmp.org >X-Sender: brisch(a)mail.mn.uswest.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Return-Path: <> >>Delivered-To: brisch(a)mail-mpls.uswest.net >>Received: (qmail 2124 invoked by uid 0); 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from mail2.uswest.net (204.147.80.18) >> by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: (qmail 5694 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from opal.tseinc.com (209.83.134.16) >> by mail2.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2000 13:05:03 -0000 >>Received: from localhost (localhost) >> by opal.tseinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with internal id IAA40788; >> Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:02 -0500 (CDT) >> (envelope-from MAILER-DAEMON) >>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:02 -0500 (CDT) >>Message-Id: <200008301305.IAA40788(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" <MAILER-DAEMON(a)opal.tseinc.com> >>To: BRISCH(a)uswest.net >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Status: U >>X-UIDL: 967640704.2136.mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net >>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; >> boundary="IAA40788.967640702/opal.tseinc.com" >>Subject: Returned mail: User unknown >>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) >> >>The original message was received at Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >>from mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net [204.147.80.3] >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >><owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >> (expanded from: <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>) >> >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>... while talking to jade.tseinc.com.: >>>>> RCPT To:<owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com> >><<< 550 <owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com>... User >unknown >>550 <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org>... User unknown >>Reporting-MTA: dns; opal.tseinc.com >>Received-From-MTA: DNS; mplspop1.mpls.uswest.net >>Arrival-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:05:01 -0500 (CDT) >> >>Final-Recipient: RFC822; <owner-classiccmp-digest(a)classiccmp.org> >>X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; >owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com >>Action: failed >>Status: 5.1.1 >>Remote-MTA: DNS; jade.tseinc.com >>Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ><owner-classiccmp-classiccmp-org-digest(a)jade.tseinc.com>... 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25 years, 1 month

My Interpro 2430 Works now !

by sipke＠wxs.nl

Since about a month I am the proud owner of an Interpro 2430 with a Kryptonite C400 ClipperCPU . It's a fully working system with a 21" Colordisplay, 32Mb RAM, 400MB SCSI HD, Ethernet, Floppy and a double framebuffer. Tonight I got the beast up and running and circumvented the root password. Yoooopiiii But I have no manuals, no CD, or other valuable information. I am currently rummaging through the filesystem, but it seems to have been used as a plain user machine with some CAD-software. No development stuff! The Clipper C400 CPU is offspring from the (in)famous C100 Fairchild-Clipper. Eventually the C400 (kryptonite) was the last one made. Intergraph Corporation (Ingr.) aquired the CPU from Fairchild and after a few years that was the end of the story. AFAIK Ingr. moved to the Windows NT platform and is no longer supporting the Clipper, the hardware or CLIX (the Clipper port of UNIX). The Clipper has a nice architecture though. I have a book (and a chipset) of the C100. The book=> Clipper 32-bit Microprocessor - User Manual (from Fairchild: ISBN 0-13-138058-3 025) The Clipper is actually a chip set. One Chip contains the CPU & FPU and 2 CAMMU chips which integrate a cache and a MMU. One of the CAMMU chips serves the Instruction Queue, the other CAMMU is for data. The CPU-FPU chip has 16 32-bit User registers, 16 32-Bit Supervisor registers 8 64-Bit Floatingpoint registers, a Program and System statusword and a Programcounter The CAMMU's each contain a 4k byte 2-way associ. data or instr. cache, A quadword (16-byte) linebuffer, that acts as a fast cache-within-the-cache, and a Translation Lookaside Buffer that caches 128 freq. used virtual adress translations. Not a lot by today's standards but cleverly executed. The Clipper is rather special in that it has both RISC and CISC features. The core is RISC but complex instructions are executed in an internal macrocode. (kinda microcode of RISC primitives) Software development on the Interpro systems is cumbersome and a lot of the CLIX-features are outdated. It's also slow by today's norm You can put some version of gcc on this system but you would need the CLIX-libraries in order to execute your programs on the native Clipper. These lib's are on the CD that accompanied the system. ..... But I don't have that CD Alas, Linux or NetBSD would be nice. But Ingr is not forthcoming with the systemdetails. So any one out there that could leverage some goodwill on the side of Ingr. to part with Interpro, Clipper and CLIX secrets ........ ...... might set of the first porting attempts! Meanwhile a lot of these systems get scrapped and the Clipper heritage slowly goes into the big void of remote history. It's rather ironical that the system does not yet deserve the label of vintage computer because it is not even 10 years old. The BIOS-productiondate on my system reads 1994! So if you feel as sad about this wastefull drama as I do .... Let's unite and let us be heard of... I will address these matters on this group in the near future and may propose a mild flame towards Ingr. to persuade and petition them to put more of their Clipper material in the public domain. But first I need to learn more about these matters I personally am not capable of porting anything since I am still busy getting used to CLIX, UNIX, LINUX or whatever. Reactions please ........... Sipke de Wal

25 years, 1 month

OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

I'll just stick to good beer thank you. Francois Local person of nundaneness and Safety ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Looking for sex in a pile of mimes... -----Original Message----- From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: OT: Re: VCF Soft Drink Requests >> > > > > > How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for >> > > > > > trade/sale/free at the VCF >> > > > > > -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance >> > > > > > to pay up this VCF.) >> > > > > Dr. Pepper. Flowing freely. By the gallon. Mr. Pibb even better. >> > > > > Does canned Mr. Pibb exist *anywhere*? It seems to only exist as a >> > > > > fountain drink, at least here in So. Cal. >> > > > Well, I agree for the Beer part, but what the >> > > > heck you are talking about ? >> > > Classic Coke and Cherry Coke... In grand quantities! >> > Blasphemy. :-P >> >> Well, without the beer I'll go for the coke, but ya'll have >> to give me some private lessons about this kind of soft drinks >> (I took some of Uncle ROgers weired soft drink cans back to >> Germany (strawbery vanilla flavoured something) and got prety >> stupid reactions :) > >I think we need to introduce you to Vernors, too. > >-- >----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu >-- Philosophy will clip an angel's wings. -- John Keats -----------------------

25 years, 1 month

TI Silent 700 help

by jate＠uwasa.fi

Hello! I'm a happy owner of Silent 700. I bought this thing yesterday for 20 FIM (approx. $3) and it looks spanking new! Really nice. Anyway it's model 745 and it has an acoustic coupler and a DB15 (male) connector. I browsed through some classiccmp mails from retrobyte but I was left a bit confused. Is the 15-pin connector RS-232 or is it current loop ? (keeping my fingers crossed for RS-232!) I've also read that you can set different options via the internal jumpers, does anybody have any idea about those ? It had a loopback connector on the DB15 connected like this: 2->11 3->13 8->12 -- Jarkko "Proud and happy owner of a RetroGraphics powered ADM-3" Teppo jate(a)uwasa.fi

25 years, 1 month

OT: Philips "Easy-Connect" modem

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>I found that if I shut down and _remove_ the modem and then install windoze 95 >on a _clean_, freshly formatted disk and then shut down and re-install the >modem, _then_ the parts of w95 that need to will see the modem (remember, it's >a plug-n-pray modem that I have -like you'd said your friend's was). My m'board >is supposed to be "Plug-n-Play" but in this case there are probably subtle >things that made it mostly plug-n-pray for sure. Yes there are. To get plug and pray to reset you need to enable the reset in the bios. the next power up it will enumerate the modem. two caveats... not all winmodems (HSP) work in all systems. And if the BIOS is not P&P you may have to go into the control Pannel | system and actually tweek the driver to point at every possible address the modem can be at (less than a dozen). Usually it W95 messes up and puts the wrong stuff at the wrong IRQ and this is worse when IRQs are near all full! I know I do this EVERY day on 5x86/133 through P166 systems that are OLD. Also keep in mond that the autoprobe function of the system can and does fail to find stuff or if it has the worng IRQ/Address misidentifes it. >Although I have some experience with installing PNP hardware onto w95/98 >systems, it seems to me that while installing the w95 onto a previously >hardware configured box, the PNP majic of the system will not correctly detect >and install the PNP hardware into the new system. Maybe this is old hat to some >of you that had come against this problem, but it's new to me as I'm not one to >buy lots of hardware stuff to play with and try out and otherwise tinker with >my machines. The machines are tools for me and I put my money resources into >s/w tools I need or my old radio collection (as Hans F. and Wm. Donzelli can >attest ;) It's fairly straightforward. I do this enough to be comfortable with it. Previously installed means no new disk or reinstall of the OS (unless it was to refresh a few files) as the OS stores all the setup in REGISTRY, INFs and DLLs. For those not timid at heart, the registry is very editable and can usually stand cleaning up. FYI the most common problem is that I find the P&P want to put NIC at 210 and IRQ3 or 5 with is often already commited to COM1 and LPT2. Manual setting of the OS (in the system pannel) is enough to fix that. BEWARE... W95 by default installs NETBUEI as the only protocal! You must make sure that the TCP/IP protocal is installed and also the adaptor (networking pannel). Then go to the DUN (DIAL UP NETWORKING) and set up the dial out. FYI: use MSDUN13 (from the MS site.) as the OSR2 DUN has problems arounf DHCP and some other junk. I usually install W95, then setup the networking, install MSDUN13 and then follow with layered products (err uhm applications). HINT: install MS internet explorer before netscape then make netscape the default if you prefer it. Also if you use MS Internet explorer/OutlookExpress Use 4.01SP2, it has fewer of the active-x and COMx controls and can be hardened more than the IE5 versions (they are very virus prone). Last item in is a ANTIvirus with currrent signatures, I lke SYMANTEC but MCAfee seems to work as well. In any case instal and enable it. >BTW, I'm using w95 OSR-2 also. 8-24-96 is the majority of file dates on the >distribution. Same here. Also known as 95B or 400.950. That was the last version unless you have 95C (I do) which is the OEM disti copy. Myself I've run 95, 98 and NT4/SP4/workstation and NT beats 9x hands down (except for games). It will give untuned Linux (caldara openlinux2.3) a goor run. NT like Linux is intimidating for the novice to install and setup. Done properly with known good drivers they all work. Keep in mind one thing, I HATE Micros~1! Allison

25 years, 1 month

VAX/VMS V5.5-2 Memory Requirements

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

OK, this falls in the stupid question catagory. What are the minimum memory requirements for VMS V5.5? I'm in the process of resurecting my VAXstation II/RC and would for some idiotic reason like to leave it in the original configuration except for the HD (dead RD53). I just got done stuffing the VCB01 back in and noticed that what I thought was a 8MB RAM board is only a 2MB RAM board. Now here is the idiotic part, I'm threatening to run it in a 3MB RAM configuration, despite having some 4MB and 8MB RAM boards. As a result I'm wondering what VMS V5.5's RAM requirements are. Unfortunatly I've not got much in the line of V5.5 doc's so can't look it up. Zane

25 years, 1 month

CGS/Commodore bankruptcy (was RE: Brochure re: CSG liquidation)

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hans: I did some investigation of this several years ago on this topic exactly. I was able to put my hands on the motion to approve the sale of the assets of CEL and CBM. Excerpting from the court filing, as follows: ---------------------- UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK Notice of hearing to appeove sale of assets and solicitation of higher or better offers. ... PLEASE TAKE FURTHER NOTICE THAT the sale to Escom is pursuant to a contract (the "Contract") dated March 13, 1995 providing for the conveyance of specified assets (collectively referred to here in as the "assets"), including the right, title and interest of the Commodore Entities to substantially all of their intellectual property, including technology, trademarks (including Commodore's logo and the names "Amiga" and "Commodore"), patents, copyrights, and know-how, and tooling, inventory, components, spare parts, microchips, and microchip test and design equipment, for a gross price of approximately $5 million in cash. The technology being offered for sale includes all technology and patents developed in connection with Commodore's products, including the Amiga 1200, the Amiga 4000, and the Amiga CD32. {end quote} -------------------- The auction was to take place on April 20, 1995. As I recall, Escom did purchase all of the 8-bit technology, including all of the Amiga stuff, and then promptly filed for insolvency on July 15, 1996. Then, supposedly all of the same assets were sold to Gateway, which then sold the Amiga goodies to Amiga, Inc. (Snoqualmie, WA). I would suspect that the 8-bit technology went with it, although I can't confirm it. If someone knows anyone in the know at Gateway or Amiga, that would be a good way to find out. However, when reading CBM's reorganization plan (which obviously was never delcared effective; the company was ultimately liquidated), it specifically mentions the desire of the liquidators of CIL and CEL to sell all of the intellectual property, know-how, tooling, and inventory, including that of the C64 and Amiga products. The reorganization plan also indicated that CBM had $150 million of unsecured trade claims, including $95 million to various other Commodore entities. More information. As of an early-1997 D&B report, the officers of GMT Microelectronics (purchaser of the CSG real property and equipment in the auction) included Dennis Peasenell (CHB), James Oerth (CTO), Anthonw Wilson (VP of Facilities), George Giansanti (President), Thomas Aiken (CFO) and Alan Sabanosh (VP of Manufacturing). GMT purchased the Norristown facility on September 2, 1994 (closing on January 6, 1995) for $4.3 million in cash. This acquisition was to include some personal property (equipment and raw materials and finished goods on hand, I would suspect). Rich Pseudo-attorney -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke [mailto:Hans.Franke@mch20.sbs.de] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:12 AM To: Richard A. Cini, Jr. Subject: Re: Brochure re: CSG liquidation Hallo Rich, > I don't know if anyone saw this on comp.sys.cbm, but it's an interesting > brochure. It's the auction notice brochure from 1994 for the Commodore > Semiconductor Group. I work for the asset-based financing division of the > sixth-largest bank in the US, and we've used Ross-Dove for our auctions and > liquidations. It's a nice brochure with detailed pictures. In fact, I'm still searching for some informations. for example who owns the IP of CSG ? Like the 6510 or 6530 cips - also who owns the IP for Commodore programm code, like the 6530 ROM content ? Maybe you got any idea ? Back in the final Commodore auction in NYC, these rights have not been mentioned. the only alike IP part has been the Amiga lot. Seams as if the ownership has been 'lost'. > Sad, none the less, but a great brochure. > http://archive.dovebid.com/company/archive/commodore.htm Jep, great historic material. Thank you Servus Hans -- VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen http://www.vintage.org/vcfe http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe

25 years, 1 month

Intel iPDS-100 boot disk/docs?

by vcf＠siconic.com

Does anyone have the boot disk and/or docs for the Intel iPDS-100? It's a portable (like the Osborn) circa 1982, 8085-based (it actually has three 8085's inside). Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

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VCF Requests

by fauradon＠mn.mediaone.net

How about starting a request list of stuff we're hoping to find for trade/sale/free at the VCF I'll start right here: -pocket computers -programmable calculators -beer (speaking of which: If you owe me a beer, you'll have a chance to pay up this VCF.) -laptops -software and accessories for the above -MSX machines -European models (Amstrad, Oric, Sinclair....) Keep on adding. Thanks Francois

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