> It works pretty much the same as Netscape, just looks a bit different,
> (especially if you install alternave buttons etc.) - nothing you can't
> easily understand from a litle Netscape experience.
>
> Now Cyberdog - that *was* different ;-)
And still is. I've got it running on the WGS8150/80 sitting
behind me. But Cyberdog could well rise again, under Windows...
As you know, Cyberdog was essentially a container for a series
of net-enabled OpenDoc components. While Microsoft has still
never released the OpenDoc-killing Cairo OS they'd promised,
Apple and IBM did stop development of OpenDoc; meantime, Micro-
soft continued to develop the Component Object model enough
that a certain third-party is going to take advantage of it
big-time.
The party is Stardock, and the product is DesktopX. The next
generation of DesktopX will provide a framework for the use
and development of COM objects directly by the user. With
DesktopX, it'll be almost trivial to recreate Cyberdog using
COM (and ActiveX components) instead of OpenDoc.
I'll stop there since I'm drifting OT...
-dq
>Now that's a machine that I really want. I have a lead on a couple of
>Lisa 2's if the guy ever gets them out of his storage building.
If you get an extra, send one my way!
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
> the Intel CPU as well as the 'LC040, was 3.11/6.22. I was
> working more from the
> experience with Windows that I'd had more recently. My
> latest Windows, BTW, is
> '98SE, and, until they fix some of the very fundamental problems, like
> non-working OS utilities, e.g. Backup, I'm not getting any
> more M$ OS products.
> I'm told it may be a long wait, BTW.
Has microsoft _ever_ had a working backup utility? OK, maybe xenix had a
working version of tar or cpio (I doubt it had both), but that's it.
However, since I'm supposed to "leave my anti-ms baggage at the door,"
according to the faq, don't get me started ;)
> This practice of theirs, of buying a non-functional cast-off from some
> financially-troubled software company and then integrating it
> into their OS is,
> in fact, an example of their "monopolistic practices" since
Just ask yourself why most of these companies are troubled in the first
place...
> they've no intention
> of supporting the product as an intrinsic function of their
> OS, though that's
> what they claim, as in the case of Internet Explorer, it is.
> Since you can't go
> to anyone else for a competing OS product, I guess they
> figure you're screwed,
> which is how I see it.
Well, my most recent exposure is to windows 2000, which, admittedly, is
nearly as stable as NT 3.x was (4 was a joke). I only use it at work, and
only because they give me no choice. At home, I have plenty of other
options that do whatever I tell them to... ;)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
Hello, all:
I got another disk image working -- AltairDOS. And again, I have no manuals
so I'm running a bit blind. This image seems to boot to a monitor program
and a dot prompt. Does anyone have a command list to go with this? I've also
gotten some error codes, so I probably need the whole manual.
Also, I'm having a bit of a tough time...because of the configuration of
the images I'm using, the status bits returned from the console are the
exact opposite of a BASIC implementation. So with the emulator one could use
*either* BASIC tapes *or* CP/M for example.
So, I'd like to put out a call for someone with the code for a CP/M 2.2
BIOS for an Altair with the MITS floppy controller and an SIO or 2SIO serial
card. Also, I'm going to need a layout of the floppy format because I will
probably have to write some disk image manipulation tools for Windows so
that I can regenerate a bootable CP/M image (straight T/S increments).
On a positive note, I was able to get the integrated debugger that I
borrowed from Jim Battle's Solace project working. This will prove to be a
big help later on. Thanks Jim!
Again, any help from those with a real Altair is greatly appreciated.
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
/************************************************************/
> >I live just north of Fort Worth, and the big Radio Shack "Outlet Store".
> >They have a lot of discontinued things, and a lot of components. I assume
> >they'll always have them.
>
> I've noticed that even the 'bargain bin' area that used to be
> tucked back in one corner of most stores seems to be gone as well.
> Used to be able to get some cool older discontinued stuff from that
> section, including Model 2000 stuff. Unfortunately I also passed on
> a portable disk drive in the same area at one point.
The portable hard drive? I've got one of those, I really
do need to get my 2000 out and play with it for Christmas...
-dq
Hate to prolong this already too-long thread, but that raises an
interesting point; since that's exactly what most of us were doing in
those long-ago days, hacking around the insides with our soldering
irons, is it really a sin to do the same thing today instead of keeping
them on the shelf in pristine condition?
Comments?
m
--------------Original Message--------------
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:09:02 -0500
From: Eric Chomko <vze2wsvr(a)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Price guide for vintage computers
<snip>
Everything is fine with what you state as there is no right or wrong way to collect,
IMO. The only exception I would take about your statements above is, if in your quest
for beat up machines that YOU would beat them up in order to get them to your liking.
I assume that is not what you do, but felt the need to mention it. Even though one's
system is theirs and they can do anything they want to with them, I personally take
exception to intentional damage of items. Again I am not saying that is what you do.
<snip>
I was given this today. It has a tape backup (and controler board) and
the DOS-73 "emulation" board w/ 8087 upgrade (but no 8088... are those
NCR chips 8088 clones?). Included is full system software and docs. I
wonder if the 5.25 inch disks are still readable.
The computer is slightly dirty on the outside and dusty inside (on the
expansion boards). I think I'll wait untill i can dust out the insides a
bit before powering it.
So now I have a Real UNIX(tm) computer! heh.
-Philip
Does anyone know anything about the Tandy 10? It was Tandy/Radio Shack's
larger microcomputer around the time the TRS-80 Model I came out. I found a
picture of one in a book, and got kind of interested in it (partially a
little home-town pride, being from Fort Worth). I can't find hardly any
information about it on the internet.
Thanks,
Owen
>I have a non working 128k unit I'd sure like to get around to fixing...It
>actually worked before I located a keyboard and mouse for it, I think I
>used the wrong type of keyboard cable. When I powered it up with the
>keyboard, heard a snap, and it didn't work anymore :/
YIKES!
Yeah, the keyboard cable is supposed to be straight pinned (or was that
cross pinned... no it was straight pinned). A standard phone cable is
cross pinned (or was that straight pinned... no was cross pinned... LOL).
If you use a standard phone cable, you will fry the keyboard controller
chip. I am sure that was the snap you heard.
You can always use the mouse and the Key Caps desk accessory, type by
clicking the letters, then choose cut and paste to move it to whatever
you are trying to type in... PITA, but it actually does work (I had to do
it once when my sister took the keyboard away from me, and I had to get a
paper finished for school... it took me all night, but I finished it...
and promptly beat the stuffing out of her the next morning)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
