>And why is everyone so afraid of giving the newbie a Mac?
The problem with the Mac is the perceived lack of support for them,
whether in places to purchase software/hardware or to which to take one if
it breaks for repair. What does the newbie see in television and print ads?
Intel, Gateway, Dell. Regardless of the merits of alternatives to these,
the first thing a newbie is going to do is ask for that Pentium 4 processor
that they see all the advertisements for. Apple has some cool ads being
aired, but they aren't being shown enough. The newbie won't think much
about a Mac because they haven't seen the ads, haven't seen them in the
stores, haven't seen the magazines from which to get information. In thier
mind, they won't consider themn because they see them as not being
accessible enough. It certainly hasn't helped that Apple lost it's foothold
in the education market. Apple needs to get thier ads out in peoples faces
for a start and then work on getting them sold in places other than CompUSA
and a handful of hardcore Apple dealers. It's basically the same problem
that the Amiga had most of it's exisitence.
Jeff
>My sister sees the cheap price, nice looks and uses one at school. So
>she's trading in her beat-up P75 for an iMac DV.
>
>The death of Apple is greatly exaggerated.
Suits me fine since my main machines, both at home and work, are Mac's.
For home users, they are basically the only alternative to the Intel/Windows
group and it'd be a dark day if that last option was to disappear.
Regardless of the industry, alternatives and options are a good thing.
Jeff
This is somewhere in the Phoenix/Tucson/Flagstaff area. :-)
- John
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Here is a fairly complete list of the old computer stuff that we have which is available to the highest bid.
We are a non-profit 501 (c)(3) educational institution, we have
just obtained a old elementary school which was being used by
the school district to store old things from every school, so
there is a large variety of things. We don’t know their condition
exactly, or whether they work. Sold in “as is” condition and you
pay the shipping (or come get them). We really need a roof -
would trade the whole lot to a roofer for a roof, or piece it
out to whom ever would love it.
**If you are in the USA your contribution would be tax-deductible!
If you have questions or comments call us at: (520) 432-4200
or e-mail fnweird(a)earthlink.net .
Thankx! Carmen & Bob Bryant
APPLE :
Apple IIc - (no Monitors; a white box with key board) [seven units]
Apple 51/4 external Floppy drives Model “Disk II” [eight units]
Apple (small) keybords [five]
Apple Unidisk [one]
Apple Numeric Key Pad IIe [one]
CompuAdd Computer [one]
Apple Monitor III [five]
Apple II Plus (no monitor) [one]
Apple Monitors [four]
Apple Graphics tablets large 16" x 16" Model A2M0029 [three]
COMMODORE
Comm. PET Model 4016 [one]
Comm. Single Floppy (5 1/4) Drive Model 1541 [two]
Comm. 4023 Printers [eleven]
Comm. 4022 Printer [two]
Comm. (5 1/4) floppy Extern. Drive Model 2031LP [five]
Comm. Super PET SP9000 (with monitor attached) [seven]
Comm PET Model 4032 (with monitor) [five]
Comm. CBM Model 8032 [two]
Comm. CBM Dual Floppy Model 8050 [two]
Comm. Dual Drive Floppy [one]
Comm. Single Drive Floppy (5 1/4) Model 2031 [one]
Comm. 64 Keyboard [four]
Comm. Cassette Plug-in “Datasette” [three]
Comm. Cassette “C2N” [one]
Comm. Tractor Printer Model 4022 [one[
Other :
Panasonic Printers KX-P1080i And KX - P1091 [one of each]
IBM Transcriber Model 172 [four]
Ventel Model 1200-1 [three]
Sanyo Memo Scriber (with cassette built in) [four]
Monitors:
IBM Mon. Model 8513001 [one]
Leading Edge Mon. Model DR-1240 [three]
also Leading Edge Keyboard [one]
CTX Color Monitor 14" Model CVP5468A [one]
Amdek Video-300 Mon. [one]
Citizen Mon. [one]
Zenith Data Systems Mon. Model ZVM 121 [one]
other keyboards:
Zenith Data Systems [four]
Wyse Key. [one]
unknown brands [three]
RADIO SHACK
TRS-80 Model III 48 K RAM (Monitor built in, with cassettee hook up in back) [seven]
TRS-80 Model 4 Microcomputer 64 K (monitor built in and cassette plug in) [seven]
** some of these have built in smoky glass filter attached to front
TRS-80 64K Keyboard [ten]
“ ” “ Mini Disk Drive [one]
TRS-80 DMP 200 Printer [one]
“ ” Video Display (1979) [one]
“ ” DWP-210 Daisy Wheel Printer [one]
Tandy 1000sx (Dual floppy, no mon.) [six]
“ ” Not working/parts gone [two]
Tandy 64 K Color Monitor [one]
Tandy Dot Matrix Printer DMP 430 [one]
Tandy Monitor VM-4 [one]
Tandy 190 Keyboard [one]
Other:
Heyer Model 93 Thermal Processor [one]
“Espirit” Computer by Hazeltine (PET look-alike) [one]
Viasyn Dual 5 1/4 Disk Drive [one]
BMC - 800 Model 20 (with monitor on stand) [two]
Epson computer Model Equality I+ (has single floppy ) with keyboard [one]
Viasyn Computer from Hayward CA. CompuPro System 8/16 Serial#068899 [one]
Racal-Milgo / OMXIMODE 96 [one]
IBM Type 4869 (made in Japan) 5 1/4 Floppy Drive [one]
Data Frame 20/Super Mac Technology (120v,60 Hz) box
with switch, male three prong plug; and two ports [one]
Power supply [one]
Texas Instruments Business System 300 Monitor [one]
3M Thermo Fax “The Secretary” Copier/Transper. Maker [two]
American Seating Masterboard for audio controls on large table w/two tapes/reels [one]
NCR Model 399 Console [one]
Zenthen & Aagaard (Copenhagen Denmark) Abdick 588 Stencil Maker
IBM Model 4226-320 Printer [one]
IBM 4226 Printer Ribbons [one]
ALSO-
Old DITTO and Mimeograph Machines and parts including paste ink pads [ten]
Type writers - Royal [newer X one; very old X five]
IBM Personal Wheelwriter2 [two]
IBM Quietwriter III Printer 5202 [one]
BMC electric [two]
IBM Selectric III [two]
Maxwell Pro/Indust. Videocassette U-Matic Still Frame Reproduction [twelve]
Texas Instruments Computer (large & Heavy ) Serial # 0550001424 [one]
Wollensak triple tape cassette duplicator Model 2772 [one]
Sony U-matic Model VO-2600 [one]
Tandy 1000 Personal Computer Keyboard [seven]
BOOKS
IBM Personal Computer Hardware Reference Library 3.0 BASIC
(Hard bound ringed binder in fiberboard case, wrapped, like new [twelve]
IBM Personal Computer Guide To Operations with floppy [twelve]
Tandy 1000sx Manual excellent condition [one]
Apple IIc “A Touch of Applesoft Basic” [five]
Apple “Getting Started With Your Apple II GS [fifteen]
Apple Color RGB Monitor Owners Manual (IIgs) [eight]
Apple 3.5 Drive Owner Guide [three]
Apple II GS Owner Reference [eight]
Appel Image Writer II Owner Manual [one]
Apple II GS System Drive Users Guide [one]
Apple II GS Owner Manual(in wrapper)
>>Don't get me wrong, I hate Microsoft as much as anyone else, but
fair dues
>>to them for trying to bring computers to the masses. In my opinion
they're
>>going about it in totally the wrong way though; don't throw
together a lot
>>of buggy, bloated software the looks nice and on the surface is
easy to use
>>- instead build a robust, logical product and provide good
documentation on
>>how to use it. Expect your users to have to actually *learn*
something in
>>order to harness its potential.
>
>Why does everyone spread this blatant lie? Microsoft have never
done anything
>to make computers easier! They were among the last to provide a
functioning
>GUI!
> What have MS ever done to make computers easier? Mimic Apple et
al?
When you put it like that, yes, I suppose. They just have better marketing
tactics (note I'm not saying I *like* those tactics!)
>Following a general trend has never been my definition of actively
working or
>contributing towards a goal.
Ahh, it's an embraced and extended following though ;-)
Thing is, for the average person who is new to computers (and maybe a little
wary of them) and doesn't want to actually learn anything about the tools
they're using, give them a bad system - like Windows - and a good one, like
Linux say, and they're going to get along easier with the windows box and
achieve their goal (whatever it may be) sooner. They won't necessarily have
the best solution (likely won't in fact) but they will have something that
satisfies them to the extent of their knowledge - which for most people is
good enough it seems.
Microsoft didn't have the vision or the initiative, no, but sadly they're
the company who is dominant in the current market. I really do hope that
changes (not least because I really don't get along with the idea of one
faceless entity controlling everything - don't even get me started on the UK
and Europe! :-P
cheers
Jules
From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
>
>They probably don't use disks. I know that older jets, like the F4
>Phantom... not sure about newer ones, used core memory.
The A6 intruders during the Veitnam era were serial based on
a fixed disk. It was part of the nav and targeting system and
not fly by wire.
Allison
Can someone E-mail me a Teledisk copy of the Diagnotics/Setup disk for
the IBM XT/286? The regular AT version will probably also work. I need it
ASAP.
Thanks,
Joe
I have a nearly new Pied Piper - may be in original box.
1.2Mbyte FDD.
It has been a long time since I have seen it in the warehouse (we
retired from the computer business after over 20 years - started in
1977)
Anyone willing to make me an offer on this one?
timdeaton(a)yahoo.com
Ewww, SCSI drives on a BI machine? Only stuff I use SCSI in is MicroVAXen
and lil bitty Alpha's... DSSI or SI is all I'd want for a BI machine...
Will J
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Cars and planes are computers
My cousin informs me that 60% of all non mechanical repairs on cars are
computer related. The car comes in and some gadget will not work, they try
swapping parts until it works or if unable to solve it swap the car's
computer. They don't have the expensive equipment that will simulate each
device and then test the circuit. The manufacturer's test the returned
parts and 40% turn out to be OK. Maybe that's why there are no more
"service stations" any more. I seem to remember that some legislator wanted
anybody who claimed to be a "service station" to offer service.
I know McDonnell-Douglas was testing the same thing for fighter planes.
Most of the time they swap boards. They have developed test benches that
test the boards. I remember that computers were swapped in the planes and
then off you go. How would you survive a disk crash? It's interesting that
were haven't yet heard of any computer virus problems with cars and planes.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
