> Now we've got Localtalk and Appletalk ... What are they and which is which?
AppleTalk is a networking protocol. TCP/IP is also a networking protocol.
LocalTalk is a cabling system. Just like Ethernet (10baseT, etc) is a
cabling system.
AppleTalk runs on top of LocalTalk.
Other terms that might crop up:
PhontNet is also a cabling system.
EtherTalk is AppleTalk running on top of Ethernet.
--
tim lindner tlindner(a)ix.netcom.com
"Life. Don't talk to me about life." - Marvin, the android
>We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality.
I'm sure not aiming to start another flame war :-)
>My position is based on what I saw in '81-'82 with then ][ and ][+, where 10
>complete data losses per hour were the rule rather than the exception.
Ironically, you might have missed the best Apple days when it comes to
hardware reliability. (I can't say for sure, but I have been hearing the
rumors growing that QC on the new flat panel iMac isn't all that great,
and I know QC on the iceBook isn't less than wonderful)
>One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
>Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
>servers. I
>know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
>ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
>install
>an ethernet interface.
>
>What do you know about that?
Most Macs, since sometime in the early 90's have come with ethernet on
board. The exceptions were the home targeted models (like the Performa
series), where ethernet was an optional add on. Every mac since the G3
comes with ethernet standard (basically, with the death of the performa
line came the death of optional ethernet... it was just included with
everything from then on out)
Every mac with an expansion slot can have ethernet added. Every mac with
at least SCSI can have ethernet added. If you have a pre-scsi mac
(128-512), then it gets a touch harder, but then, if you have one of
those, and don't know what you can and can't do with it... I'll take it
>from you for cost of shipping.
That pretty much means, every mac from the Plus on can support ethernet.
For your Performa 630, you can add either an LC PDS ethernet card, or a
Comm Slot 1 ethernet card. The LC card will probably be the easier to
find.
Beyond that, you just have protocol issues. The Mac doesn't natively use
anything other than AppleTalk for file and print sharing (up thru OS 9...
OS X is a whole different ballgame). If you are in a network that
supports AppleTalk, great, everything will work fine (NT 4 and 2k support
it, as well as I believe later versions of Netware, and there are some
*nix packages out there as well).
If you can't get AppleTalk supported, then you will have to add things to
the Mac to access the servers. There are 3rd party apps out there to
enable the Mac to speak to a number of different systems. If this is
something you want to do, I will be happy to discuss it with you, but it
is going to get off topic really fast, so we are better off taking it off
list.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>Apple Computer Co. always impressed me as being
>entirely too willing to compromise the quality of MY hardware/software, and
>the security of my data, in favor of their profits.
WOAH?!? That's just a shot from the dark... Apple is known for how good
their quality IS... sure they had a few flops, but most of their hardware
is built well, and built to last. And security? Um... compared to what?
Windows? BWAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!!
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
>Repaired PB 5300ce in my possession, serviced in '96, no problems
>other than tiny built-in speaker has died. Runs longer on its
>lithium cell than any laptop I've seen.
Nickel Metal Hydroxide.... no Lithium Ion batteried PB 5300's are in
public circulation to the best of my knowledge (and I don't think any
made it past internal testing and early seeding... they exploded during
charging).
If you really have a LiON batteried 5300 lets talk... what do you want
for it?
But I agree on the battery life... it just seemed like it never died, and
never lost its life-span. I could go a whole evening on a charge easily.
Way better life span then my 1400 (which even with a new battery was
lucky to get 1.5hrs, now I get 30-45 minutes on a charge)
>No harm to LCD screen. rock-solid. don't make 'em like this
>anymore.
The only recurring problem with the 5300 AFTER it has been put thru the
repair extension program, is the screen cable tends to fray and break.
Other than that, a repaired 5300 is a very good reliable unit. I actually
miss the size (why do all computer makers assume everyone wants a huge
screen? I want a portable computer... give me a 10.4" 800x600 screen,
thin and light.... I don't want these 15" wide screen designs)
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> >...it had terrible QC problems. It's a tossup which was the less reliable
> >product: the 1710AV, or the PowerBook 5300. Check out some of the
> >you-had-to-be-there rants about this monitor in Google Groups
> >(comp.sys.macintosh.*)
>
> As of last summer though Apple was still keeping it's promise
> of repairing defective 5300's. Mine hadn't yet had the case repaired
> and they replaced the whole outer casing under warranty, including
> shipping both ways. Not bad service for a near 7 year old laptop.
Repaired PB 5300ce in my possession, serviced in '96, no problems
other than tiny built-in speaker has died. Runs longer on its
lithium cell than any laptop I've seen.
I use it for a system console on the Prime; it's on 24x7x365.
Most batteries get screwed by that. Not this one.
Got a 500w halogen worklight too close for a while... plastic
was too hot to touch and started warping where the LCD shell
comes together on the top edge (top as in when the lid is up).
No harm to LCD screen. rock-solid. don't make 'em like this
anymore.
-dq
> As of last summer though Apple was still keeping it's promise
>of repairing defective 5300's. Mine hadn't yet had the case repaired
>and they replaced the whole outer casing under warranty, including
>shipping both ways. Not bad service for a near 7 year old laptop.
IIRC, the extension program on the 5300 is good for 8 years from the date
the 5300 was discontinued.
Unfortunatly, if the tech manual for the 1710AV is to be believed, the
repair program only lasted 5 months for it (August of 98 to Dec 31 98).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> >It's a tossup which was the less reliable
> >product: the 1710AV, or the PowerBook 5300. Check out some of the
> >you-had-to-be-there rants about this monitor in Google Groups
> >(comp.sys.macintosh.*)
>
> UGH... well, I had the PB 5300, and if the 1710AV was
> anywhere near that bad... YIKES!
Sorry fer yer bad luck, son... flawless PB5300ce
here, too bad I slightly melted the case, would be
a museum piece some day. Well, will anyway...
Current use: Prime 2455 system console, plus plays
Arashi (Finnish clone of TEMPEST) quite nicely...
...also took it on cruise to use as blackjack practice
machine.
-dq
>Since it was cheap, I snagged an AppleVision monitor/speaker combo today.
>What systems will support it? I figure I'll find one eventually.
>
>It's only a small risk at $3.95.
If it is one with the AppleVision plug (HDI-45, this kind of rectangular
plug with lots of pins in it), then only the 6100, 7100 and 8100 support
it directly IIRC.
However, there is an adaptor out there to break out the cable to its RGB
plug, mic, speaker, and ADB, so you can plug it into any of the other
Macs.
Also, the last series of AV monitors weren't true AppleVision monitors,
and only had the standard RGB plug, if you have one of those, than any
color mac EXCEPT the 6100, 7100, or 8100 should support it (those 3 will
support it IF they have the optional RGB card installed, or if you have
the HDI-45 to RGB pigtail).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
> Focus made a combo video/ethernet card for certain
>Powerbook's as well. I've got one of them in my 5300 and it works
>great. It's nice having built-in ethernet vice using the PCMCIA
>slot. Plus, how many laptops actually have upgradable/replacable
>video cards?
I've always wondered... how do you connect to that? My 5300 (and my 1400
which also has a video/ethernet card available for it) the video took up
the entire opening.
Do you use a dongle? That is the only way I could figure to fit it. Does
the dongle break out to that thin powerbook video connector, or to an RGB
or VGA?
Just one of those things I have been curious about.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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