> > My bad, I don't have a 11/34, I meant a 11/23+. The question stands, though.
>
I have the KDF11-AA (11/23?) and KDF11-BA (11/23B)
manuals scanned as PDF. I don't know if the KDF11-B
(M8189) is what you ahve in your system (but I think
that's what a PLUS is). There is also a KDJ11
manual on the net.
That's obviously several hundred more pages than
you might care to read, but if noone has a canned
config for you, this might be what you have to do.
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca]
> Yes, 2MB on board, but I'm looking for something bigger than
> the 4MB (it's
Me too ;)
> I'm just getting the unit going, and need the BNC terminators
> to make the
You know that you can also use an AUI terminator if your 2000 has
an AUI port? I think this goes without saying... :)
> ethernet happy, and also a cable ...08 to make the 9pin a
> console port (as
> this is a VS2000).
It's a simple straight-through serial cable with pins 8 and 9
tied together on the machine end. Nothing fancy. You can make
one up in five minutes with parts from radio shark.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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I couldn't help noticing this paragraph:
>Do you have anywhere I can FTP it to?
>The full manual will be in the region
>of 200MB.
Rather than pdf, consider using DjVu; it's a LOT more compact (I recompressed some pages from the RT-11 Software support manual that I'd scanned a while ago with DjVu, and went from about 900 Kb/page to 30-40 Kb/page). Needless to say, I was very impressed.
The DjVu viewer plugin for various browsers if free, and a program which scans images to individual files is also free from http://www.djvu.com/. I first heard about DjVu on this list, and it is one of the neatest pieces of compression software that I've seen.
Boris Gimbarzevsky
> Gunther Schadow wrote:
>
>in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has
>the following memory board right now:
>
>M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh)
>
>But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional
>RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a
>
>M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM
>
>but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be?
I'm at home now and I've been able to check
some manuals, without too much luck though.
The "LSI-11, PDP-11/03 user's manual" discusses
the KD11-F (M7264) and KD11-J (M7264-YA)
which seems to be the same module with
no RAM and packaged differently.
I don't know whether that's the module used in
the 11/780 console. I'm sure it's in one of those
manuals, but I bet you can find out quicker
by looking :-)
It also discusses usage (and jumpering) of
the MSV11-B (M7944) 4K memory board.
If your LSI CPU is the M7264(-YA) then you
probably want this manual anyway.
I also have a copy of the MSV11-P User
Guide but that discusses the M8067-LA,
-KA, -FA which are 256K, 128K
and 64K boards. Maybe useful as a
general reference but probably not applicable
to jumpering your stuff.
My random guess is either you have the
refresh wrong or the memory board
starting address is wrong. Sadly, even if
the guess is right, neither of these manuals
are likely to help you sort it out. Let me know
if you want them ftp'd somewhere anyway.
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca]
> anyone have an *extra* memory for the MV2000?
Define extra. :) You know they have 2M on board,
right? Do you have one without any add-in memory
option?
I've honestly never seen one like that. Again, I
have plenty of "spare" VAXStation 2000 stuff, but
I'd like to stay away from committing to ship
anything just now.
The only memory options I have are 2 and 4M boards,
which would give you a total of either 4 or 6M.
You do know that you can only fit one RAM board in a
system, right?
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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Gunther Schadow wrote:
>Whoever scanned the KA780 and FP780 "Technical Description" documents
>and put them up on the moremaniuals site ought to be given thanks
>and praise!
I scanned all those 11/780 docs and sent them along
to DFWCUG but the real praise should go to
Alain Nierveze who sent copies of the manuals
to me in the post for scanning.
>These are wonderful in depth description that I had been
>searching for and that none of the "architecture manuals" etc.
>ever delivered.
These are certainly "old-style" DEC technical manuals.
They virtually describe the machine down to the
individual chips.
All we need now is a full set of prints
for the VAX-11/780 ... or a full set of
tech manuals for the VAX-11/750 (or
VAX-11/730) and someone can then do a
full implementation in an FPGA :-)
Antonio
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com]
> Not AFAIK. It's the TK50Z-FA doesn't play nice with others.
Well, then he should be fine ;) Sorry -- I have both, and haven't
paid much attention to model numbers for a while.
> > Well, I've never heard of anyone getting it to work with anything
> > else. :) You could try it. It's the one without the ID selector,
> > right?
> Nope... the -FA is lacking the ID selector (device '5' always, ISTR)
> and doesn't like sharing the bus with anyone else.
That's interesting -- so you might be able to plug it into a MicroVAX
3100 with dual SCSI busses, for instance, if you allowed it to take
the whole bus for itself. (what a waste :)
> you could put -FA ROMs in it for use with a MicroVAX 2000, but I
Probably would need set to ID 5.
> don't know that you are required to do that. I don't own a -GA
> to test the theory, just a few -FAs.
I have one, but really would rather not swap the ROMs around just
now. I'll eventually get a programmer and save the ROMs in everything
I've got to a CD or something like that -- at that point, maybe I'll
try it.
> You will not enjoy depending on a TK50 as a primary backup device.
> It holds 95MB *max* per tape (it streams and if there isn't any
Not so bad, considering that people were "backing up" to zip disks
only recently, which hold 95MB max.
> data, it writes filler) and takes multiple passes to read one tape
> (the head physically moves up and down to read different portions
> of the tape on each pass). It is *sloooow*. Personally, I prefer
Yes, that's a problem...
> 1600 bpi magtape to the TK50, even though it take at least two reels
> for equivalent capacity.
I like them better than QIC- ... well, QIC-anything. :) If I were
recommending backup for this machine, though, I'd say a cheap 4mm
(DDS), or 8mm (D8) drive would be great. Forget about hardware
compression, though, just to be safe.
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com]
> Maybe it would be easier to get a MicroVAX 2000 to hook the
> TK50Z-GA to!
> I bare-bones MV2000 must be fairly inexpensive, right? Anyone got any
> extras?!
Well, if after reading Ethan's post (which says I got my models
backwards, and your drive ought to work ok...) you'd still like
one, I have a few, but you'd need to be willing to pick one up,
since I'm not so sure about shipping anything just now. I'm
still behind on shipping things. (Sorry Owen!)
Chris
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>Also keep in mind that you need time stable sources for the video
>inputs. If you want to use VHS VCR's you'll be disappointed, and you'll
>need a couple full fram TBC's as well. As a video professional, I'd
>think twice before getting a Toaster for hobby video . . . the new
>digital cameras and digital editing is far easier to implement.
The draw backs aren't really going to matter after all... your initial
price of $400 puts one out of my price range. I can't very well even
justify it for using it for editing when I have a perfectly good firewire
setup with my DV Cam and iMac that so far is doing everything I need. I
would like a 2nd video deck, so I would rather put the money towards a
2nd camera. (that is why I stopped hunting for a good deal on an SVHS
editing system... as much as I would love to have one some day, they are
still too expensive for me to justify when I can do everything with my
camera and iMac)
I was kind of hoping by some miracle, the 4000 with Toaster would be
almost worthless, and I could have gotten away with offering a very low
price. Alas, it appears to be worth some money like I figured it was.
Thanks for the info.
-chris
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