> On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, Sean Conner wrote:
>> What I've read about VMS makes me think the networking was
>> incredible.
>
>
To be fair, I think you have to think about what was around when VMS
was developed, and what DEC was competing with. VMS is an
enterprise-grade operating system, designed for serious production work.
At the time VMS was conceived, Unix was a university product, used for
teaching and research, not for heavy production work. In fact those
early versions of Unix were completely useless for that kind of
application - too limited, unstable, and no useful security features. No
accounting at all, no useful batch functionality, nothing but the most
basic kind of security and protection functionality etc.
VMS was designed to compete with IBM mainframes and System/32-34-36 and
the likes.
In the early 80s I used both VMS version 4 and 5 and Unix version 7.
The Unix system was used for program development, the VMS system for
program development and running accounting software. The Unix system was
fine for program development in a lab but far too unstable and insecure
for running accounting systems in a corporate production environment.
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:34:22 -0400
> From: devin davison <lyokoboy0 at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Found some stuff at the scrapyard
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> Actually found a pretty nice hp machine with a bunch of peripherals.
> Thankfully it came with the keyboard. Also a external hard drive and
floppy,
> as well as a tiny printer.
>
> HP 362 "controller"
> Hp thinkjet 2225A printer
> Hp 9153B - HD and floppy
>
> Also a IBM wheelwriter 3 with the parallel interface, as well as what im
> assuming is a s100 backplane.
I don't know what it is, but S100 it isn't. A key feature of the S100 bus is
100 pins, not 122.
James
There's a battery in my QX-10; anyone know if it's safe to remove it before
it leaks (i.e. it's not responsible for storing any parameters which might
be vital to system operation)?
I think most of my machines which have batteries just use them for things
such as TOD clock and so it's no big deal to remove them (and they'll run
happily without), but I do also have various "unknowns" - of which the
QX-10 is one.
(I don't suppose anyone is working on a big list of machines with batteries
in, which ones need consideration before removal, and which ones refuse to
function without a battery present, are they?)
cheers
Jules
Don't see too many complete looking BA123 boxes show up on eBay and
this one seems relatively cheap if you happen to be able to pick it up
locally in Richboro, Pennsylvania. Plus a few boxes of VMS
documentation too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/232013130536
(No personal connection to, or information about, this seller)
I would grab this one myself if it was within easy driving distance.
Someone should grab it.
Hello.
I've recently acquired what came to be a Siemens PC-MX2 Set that is
comprised of:
* 4 Siemens Dossiers named:
- Informix
- BetriebeSystem SINIX Buch 1
- BetriebeSystem SINIX Buch 2 Menus
- Siemens PC-MX2 Betriebsanleitung
12 Tapes:
- 10 of them are of brand 3M, Model DC300XL/P and seem to be backups.
- 2 of them are of brand Cadmus, Model 9000 and are named:
"Munix Betriebsystem V.3/R.3-28 IS Format
Anlagennummer FO/90-9754"
and the other
"Optionale Pakete PCS
F0/89-74343 IS0055P 20-Jul-89
all files CPIO format
0. Med v.4.0
1. Munix_TCP/IP_(BSD) 7-Sep-88
2. Fortran77-32 V.4.0c"
1 Siemens branded Terminal with Serial Keyboard
1 Siemens Computer branded PC-9870
1 Siemens Dot Matrix Printer model is either PT88S-22 or -32
Is there any interest in this? I'm entertaining offers.
Location is Portugal.
Cumprimentos - Best Regards
Marcos Alves.
Whats this "BackInTheDay" stuff ? ;-) ?granted we upgraded to openvms at y2k, but the system ?is still in production. ? Ive been involved in this app since 93, and it was mature then. ?Just will not die :-(
-------- Original message --------
From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Date: 07/16/2016 05:55 (GMT-08:00)
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: VMS stability back in the day (was Re: NuTek Mac comes)
??? > From: Jonas
??? > At the time VMS was conceived, Unix was a university product, used for
??? > teaching and research, not for heavy production work.
Err, not quite. In the mid-70's, the PWB system at Bell:
? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWB/UNIX
was being used by a community of about 1K programmers doing development of
software for various Bell commercial projects.
Yes, not accounting systems, but not "teaching and research", either. And it
was definitely production: see the uptime statistics, etc, in the BSTJ
article that describes it.
Noel
> From: Jonas
> At the time VMS was conceived, Unix was a university product, used for
> teaching and research, not for heavy production work.
Err, not quite. In the mid-70's, the PWB system at Bell:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PWB/UNIX
was being used by a community of about 1K programmers doing development of
software for various Bell commercial projects.
Yes, not accounting systems, but not "teaching and research", either. And it
was definitely production: see the uptime statistics, etc, in the BSTJ
article that describes it.
Noel
> From: Kirk Davis
> Does anyone know off hand if a 11/83 cab kit will work as a 11/44
> console? Both are 20 bin ribbon cable connectors
Say what? The 20-pin connector on the M8190 (KDJ11-B) is configuration
management, etc - the console connector is the 10-pin one (which uses the
standard DEC later serial pinout, documented here:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/DEC_asynchronous_serial_line_pinout
if anyone needs it). The 11/44 console (and TU58) seem (from a quick glance at
the prints) to use some odd pinout that is sui generis.
Time to break out the soldering iron...
Noel
I am following this closely ?as we were recently given?A g4 ... not the mirror frontA g4 .... mirror frontA g5 1st model drive missing nice internalsA g5 w Intel but not 3. So Cann not update to free latest ?os..is there a workaround ..internal design us not as cool as first g5
We have just what is on disc drive in them.. need to collect up a few things.
Then we already had blue iMac already in boxPlus early little screen mac wife used
This mac stuff is all new to me so learning curve...
Ed# ?www.smecc.org
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-------- Original message --------
From: Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com>
Date: 7/15/16 23:39 (GMT-07:00)
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Building the Ultimate Classic Mac.
> I'm toying with putting the "ultimate" classic Mac together, although I'm
> having a little difficulty pinning down the definition of what the ultimate
> representation of the type is, so was looking for a little input from
> Classic CMP'ers.
My "heavy duty" OS 9 rig is an dual 1.25GHz MDD that I upgraded to a dual
Sonnet 1.8GHz, with 1.5GB RAM and OS 9.2.2. Everything flies on it. I haven't
had any obvious compatibility problems.
Al makes a good point though: have a spare power supply. My MDD blew
through two.
You didn't ask, but my preferred heavy duty 68K is the Q800. You can
overclock them easily with chipclips and they are the beefiest 68K Mac
that will still run A/UX. A/UX at 40MHz is a delight.
> In terms of hardware I have a lovely mirror-door G4 PowerMac I'm intending
> to use.? I have the original media that shipped with this, so I can get
> 9.2.1 on it relatively easily.? Are there any add-in cards (PCI) I should
> be considering?? It has a built in Airport Card (possibly Airport Extreme?)
> although my home Wi-Fi is 802.11n or better with WPA2 so I'll just use
> Ethernet to connect it to my LAN.? Was a gigabit ethernet card ever
> released with Mac OS 9 drivers?? I have a couple of 600GB PATA disks that I
> can use with it, but has there ever been a SATA implementation that worked
> with classic Mac OS?
I've never seen a GigE card for OS 9. There is of course 100Mbit support.
I would love to be proven wrong.
The Sonnet SATA cards work well with OS 9 and are completely bootable. I
used such a card in a 7300.
> In terms of the software - any top-line utilities or System Extensions I
> should look to get my hands on?? What's the state of the art in classic Mac
> OS browsing nowadays, Mr Kaiser - is Clasilla still maintained?
Sort of, as I have time. I'd like to do more with it but TenFourFox consumes
much of my free hacking cycles currently. That should let up relatively soon
since I've made the executive decision to fork TenFourFox at Firefox 45ESR
(due to the looming spectre of Rust becoming a build-requirement, and
known and expected issues with Electrolysis multi-process with the 10.4 SDK).
Still, the biggest need for Classilla currently is moar crypto and that's
rather hard to get right.
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Evidently, there is a kind soul with a project this weekend lacking a
cable (it's my fault), and I had hoped one might be available near he
could borrow.
Jim
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