>Well, obviously you use the right tools :-). Attacking any
computer board
>with a sheet-metal iron is going to do some damage. But I don't
>understand why a PC motherboard is any more fragile than (say)
a board
>from a minicomputer, workstation, or whatever.
Well, for one thing old boards used .1 inch traces, now with
surface mount it's .05 or .025. I don;t know about you, but my
hand (wasted from advanced age and hard living) isn't steady
enough to solder a surface mount IC.
Jack Peacock
Personally, I *love* IE4.
However, the point of this message is to point out that you can make sure
all your email is in plain text format by choosing Tools/Options/Send/Plain
Text
Its pretty simple, really.
Cheers
A
>I'm almost certain that IE4/outlook express HTMLizes email you send from
it.
>there is a way to turn it off, but i dont remember how one does it. i'm
>staying far away from IE4 myself!
On Mar 13, 21:28, SUPRDAVE wrote:
> with all this talk of soldering and desoldering, is it possible for a layman
> to do this with just a regular low wattage soldering iron? any tips from the
> pros?
Sure, with a little care and practice, but don't use a really low-power iron.
Many of them don't have much thermal storage (some people call it thermal
inertia) which means that when you place it on the joint, the heat flows out of
the tip (to be shared with the joint) and it all cools down. It takes a while
for the element to raise the temperature above the solder liquidus point again,
and in the meantime that heat is travelling to all the places you don't want.
Far better to use a reasonable wattage temperature-controlled iron (mine is
50W), which heats the joint up fast, so you can remove the iron fairly quickly.
For the same reason, don't use *too* fine a bit.
For larger stuff, I use a 120W Weller soldering gun which I bought in the
heyday of valves (vacuum tubes, for you colonists). At the University, we have
a Steinel temperature-controlled hot-air gun which chucks out lots of air at up
to 400C, great for surface mount removals (and refitting/reflow, with care).
There's a proper SMD station as well, but only one person is allowed near
that. However, I confess I'm a member of the blowtorch club at at home. I can
confirm that it's possible to remove DIL and SIMM sockets that way, as well as
ICs!
Personally, I use a fairly large piston-type desolder sucker. I hate braid -
although it's good for removing bridges on SMDs - and hate those awkward
desolder bulbs. I once had a vacuum desoldering iron, but it was always
getting clogged...
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Mar 14, 12:16, Kip Crosby wrote:
> >I don't think the sender INTENDS to send out HTML. If you really look
> >close at such messages, you will see an actual message....
Sure, but it's no less irritating. I've stopped reading most of them. Once or
twice I've replied with suggestions to fix it; sometimes the sender has even
fixed it :-)
> That's it. MIME-enabled clients read the MIME part; MSIE4 reads the HTML
> part; MS-Outlook and Outlook Express I _think_ offer the choice between the
> two. Microsoft no longer considers flat-ASCII mail to be an important
> fraction of the traffic.
Unfortunately, quite a lot of *mail* readers can't handle that, especially the
"multipart/alternative" header. Zmail stubbornly refuses to display either
part, so I resort to /usr/sbin/Mail or /usr/bsd/mail if it's important. As far
as I'm concerned, MIME is fine, but HTML has no business in email.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Hi,
I just picked up an Apple IIGS without the keyboard.
Can I use a MAC keyboard on it?
Also it was connected to an Apple IIe via a super serial port on the GS and
an I/O controller on the IIe side. Is that some sort of "Networking"? There
was no disk drive attached to the IIe.
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Visit the Sanctuary at: http://home.att.net/~francois.auradon
And I just learned that it was safe to tuch motherboard/cards when your
computers on! (BTW, any one know aout DIMM stuff?)
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: Getting bent (ON topic if not thread)
>
><>FYI in the old days when people would salvage chips of old unmarked card
><>a popular way to remove them was a propane torch and pliers!
><
><Old days??? I recovered chips using this method a few months ago...
>
>Same here but some of the kids may never have heard of a propane torch!
>
><Cool! If one is careful, there is more than just chips that can be
><recovered using this method -- at one point in time I could recover usabl
><chip sockets (even some 40-pinners) that I'm still using for other
><projects, and I now have a *boatload* of 8-switch DIP switch packages fo
><my hardware playing...
>
>Also SIP resistor packs, caps and even SMT devices.
>
>I've also been known to use gas stoves and even electric stoves. I've
>found the electic stoves with care can be used to pull chips with no
>board damage.
>
>Allison
>
>Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:39:33 -0600 (CST)
Why do you say this? I found an AIWA all-in-one thing (radio,tape,
phono,cd) in the trash a few years ago, and it has worked fine. Does
it damage CDs or something?
>
>I have [music] CD's going back to the mid-80's. They all work fine.
>(P.S., never buy an Aiwa CD player.)
>
>
>
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Curretly using IE4, I've got to say that MS does have some innovation left.
The problem is that it comes TOO LATE to be useful. However, seeing as how
the current version of Netscape and IE use HTML emails, and how an aditional
1 million people support it (with Hotmail), and how, when you get down to
it, it does increase functionality, it's going to be a standard. IE4 does
send it by default, but, you can change that by clicking on Format -> Plain
Text. If the e-mail that you wish to respond to's in plain text, that's
what it'll send. The problem is that if M$ supports it, the WHOLE WORLD
suddenly has to all have HTML-ized e-mail readers. It's nice if you have
it, but a pain in the A** if you don't.
Ciao,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: SUPRDAVE <SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: What's with the raw HTML?
>I'm almost certain that IE4/outlook express HTMLizes email you send from
it.
>there is a way to turn it off, but i dont remember how one does it. i'm
>staying far away from IE4 myself!
>
>david
>
>In a message dated 98-03-14 15:20:25 EST, you write:
>
><< That's it. MIME-enabled clients read the MIME part; MSIE4 reads the
HTML
> part; MS-Outlook and Outlook Express I _think_ offer the choice between
the
> two. Microsoft no longer considers flat-ASCII mail to be an important
> fraction of the traffic.
>
> Kip Crosby >>
I'm almost certain that IE4/outlook express HTMLizes email you send from it.
there is a way to turn it off, but i dont remember how one does it. i'm
staying far away from IE4 myself!
david
In a message dated 98-03-14 15:20:25 EST, you write:
<< That's it. MIME-enabled clients read the MIME part; MSIE4 reads the HTML
part; MS-Outlook and Outlook Express I _think_ offer the choice between the
two. Microsoft no longer considers flat-ASCII mail to be an important
fraction of the traffic.
Kip Crosby >>
Well, without changing the blower motor or fuses, I plugged in my newly
rewired 4967 hard drive. I turned it on, the power supply made that
electrical buzzing noise that big PS's do(and a 220v motor in the
background running at half speed), then the drive started to spin up. Is
there a miniaturized jet plane in there? ;-) Anyways, it starts up(power
light comes on), and then after about 10-15 seconds there is a clunk sound
and the drive kinda shuts down until it tries again about 20 seconds
later(or maybe because I turned on the CPU). I'm not quite sure what ti
think. I haven't bothered taking it apart yet(too much work to get the
PS/controller unit off). Anyone have any ideas, or know someone who would?
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