On 1998-02-28 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk
:Eh, heh.
:So how do I get a modulus in Apple basic? The answer is not 'MOD'
:or '%'.
try A - INT(A/B) * B. certainly on our collection of homies the MOD
concept just didn't exist, so you had to cheat. why? well, some of those
basics didn't use integer math, and there's not much call for a MOD
function in floating point.
on the other hand, you could get yourself a real language like forth...
;> ;>
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you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
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::Torch XXX, quadX, etc
:on the "refuse but not actively chase" list.
hmm.
please, insert a "don't" in the obvious place...
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[tony duell]
:But there's very few similarities between (say) the PDP8,
:the PDP10 and the PDP11.
having read up on these, we'd beg to differ here. it seems to us that
all the pdps followed a very definite architectural pattern, with the
exception of the pdp11 which struck us as a major departure (the dg nova
has more in common with the early pdps than the pdp11, to our mind). ok,
so they weren't anything like binary compatible (well, between families
- there was the 5,8,12; the 1; the 4,7,9; the 6,10; and then the nova /
eclipse. all were basically accumulator-plus-memory architectures, it
seems, even the 6 and 10; all had simple, regular, but very powerful
instruction sets with minimal formatting and all instructions in one
word (if you view the 6 word size as 18 bits and call it a double word
machine :> ) - we can discern a very distinct family resemblance on the
way up.
the pdp11 marked a major change, from a 1-address to a 2-address
architecture. we aren't sure it was a good thing...
anyway, the pdp8 is much more similar to the 10 than either is to the 11.
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
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I might as well add my list:
apple //gs and a //c+ to complete my apple ][ collection,
tandy 102 disk drive
a replacement floppy drive for my mac IIcx
apple lisa
david
On 1998-02-27 classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu said to lisard(a)zetnet.co.uk
:Here, take my 10 year old copy of Minix. BTW, is anybody up to
:speed on the current state of Minix? I have an itch to run *ix on
:a 128K 8086 box, and it doesn't look like ELKS is ready for prime
:time.
minix is onto version 2 now; it's going the way of all unices by the
looks of things. (kernel cpu detection, 32-bit mode, ram preferences
listed in the megabytes region..) if you want to run it on a 128k
system, best stick with that 10 year old copy. or rewrite uzi to run.
btw... does anybody have a copy of the 16-bit coherent that they'd like
to pass on? any version, the older the better.
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you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
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[andrew]
:To everyone: Some judicious snipping of quoted email replies would
:make it MUCH easier to read, and really is common net-etiquette
agreed, but there's the balance between snipping enough to compress it
significantly, and leaving enough in so that those without threaded
newsreaders (and on mailing lists) will be able to make sense of it.
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I agree wholeheartedly with all you say with one exception. I have a
Pentium 75 overclocked to 100, 16MB ram. It runs Word 95 just fine,
and ran it fine when it had 8MB. Visual Basic and IE4 (I don't use
it regulary, Opera at www.operasoftware.com is much better: 1MB
download!)
work fine too. I can only imagine how Linux would run. But to put
this in a classical context, I agree that old computers are still
useful, but I so wish that they had better displays :)
>Here's an interesting article from Byte magazine:
>
>http://www.byte.com/art/9802/sec5/art1.htm
>
>It talks about how computers are becoming obsolete the day you buy them
>due to all the crazy new technologies being released into the market.
My
>observation is that anyone who chases technology and is always
upgrading
>to the latest and greatest is always going to have an "obsolete"
computer.
>The situation is not as bad as the article makes it out to be, not that
>the article is actually saying the speed of new technology
introductions
>is a problem. But if people could be satisfied with what they have on
>their desk, this issue of obsolescense would not be an issue at all.
>
>In 1995 I bought a Pentium-90 system which I clocked up to 100Mhz. It
>came with Windows 3.1 but I quickly upgraded to Win95. It originally
had
>16MB RAM (which I've since upgraded to 32M) and a 1GB HD. It has a
5.25"
>and 3.5" floppy and a CD-ROM drive. I'll soon be adding another 540MB
HD
>I have lying around spare, and then a 1.7GB SCSI HD as soon as I find a
>SCSI cable. It's slow by today's standard, but the damn thing works.
I
>use an old version of Microsoft Works (3.0) for my word processing and
>spread sheeting; some people haven't even heard of Works! They only
know
>Word. But Works loads instantly, whereas Word takes it seems forever
to
>load which is why I don't use it. Plus its bloated and drags my system
>down.
>
>Which brings me to my point. The computers we collect are still so
damn
>useful! And this is not a new argument, but even though these old
>machines don't have SVGA and EDO RAM and Ultra-SCSI and other
new-fangled
>fanciness, they still work! They can still process words, and crunch
>numbers and hold information. And best of all, they play games MUCH
more
>fun than the current cache of cathartic creations; DOOM was novel when
I
>first played it, but every other incantation after it (DOOM II, QUAKE,
>DUKE NUKEM, ETC) is the same game with a different "scenario" and
>graphics, and that damn bobbing up and down makes me sick anyway!
>
>Give me Choplifter, Rescue Raiders or Dino Eggs any day!
>
>If you read the article carefully it gives a glimpse of the types of
>machines that may be collectible in ten years or so. The article
proposes
>the dawn of the age of the "disposable" computer. This is totally
>ridiculous. I cannot even relate to that mode of thinking. But on the
>positive side, it means disgustingly cheap (and probably FREE)
computers
>10, 5, even 1(!) year(s) from now. More cheap PCs for us to run Linux
on!
>(Imagine having your own DLA [Distributed Linux Array] consisting of 16
or
>more 300Mhz Pentium II PC, alls for just a song! You could break
>government encryption with something like that :)
>
>People these days with their 333Mhz Pentiums with 128MB RAM and 4GB
>harddrives should shut the hell up and be happy.
>
>Long live "obsolete" computers.
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
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>
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> See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
>
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This is an open note to all readers in this list...
Sorry about the gruf comments regarding the message on the PS/2 boards I
have for sale, it was intended to be a sarcastic remark and to the
person that wrote it, not open on the list. As for the moderator of this
area I wish to apologize for monopolizing on the messages of stuff for
sale. I have a bunch to clear out and should really stay with the topic
of the older stuff I might have.
If anyone is interested in this older stuff I have please email an
inquiry. I'm getting choked with things I've saved from the landfill so
that collectors and hobbyists can enjoy them and I don't get them for
free so please don't expect to get them free either. I'm making a few
cents on this stuff and don't plan on getting rich on it and try to set
a fair price on these things to help other collectors out. My
"business" (however corporate or formal it may appear) is a one man part
time thing to clear a few bucks to upgrade my equipment and eventually
become full time.
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RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
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While we're making want lists, I'm interested in the following:
Apple II
Apple IIc+
Mac 128k
Mac Portable
interesting Apple/Mac stuff
anything Lisa related
TRS-80 Model 100 stuff
I have for trade:
2 white Commodore 64's w/power supply
1 beige Commodore 64 in original box w/manual & floppy drive
1 Commodore Vic 20 w/cartridges
1 CoCo 1 w/original kb
1 CoCo 1 w/modified kb
1 Apple IIe
1 AppleColor 12" RGB monitor (for IIgs)
1 Laser 128 Apple II compatible
Tom Owad
55SX boards are available for $7.00 each in the wholesale mags.
bye!
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> From: Russ Blakeman <rhblake(a)bbtel.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: PS/2 55SX motherboards
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 1998 12:06 PM
>
> Have a bunch of PS/2 model 55SX motherboards in the "Reply" boxes in
> great condition for sale or trade. Will sell separately for $25 each or
> will work a better price for multiples. I'll also trade for equal value
> of cdroms, sound cards, parity SIMMs in 30 or 72 pin for other machines
> I'm working on. Of course shipping is extra but these are light.
>
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> Russ Blakeman
> RB Custom Services / Rt. 1 Box 62E / Harned, KY USA 40144
> Phone: (502) 756-1749 / Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
> Email: rhblake(a)bbtel.com or rhblake(a)bigfoot.com
> Website: http://members.tripod.com/~RHBLAKE/
>
> * Parts/Service/Upgrades and more for MOST Computers*
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