There are several freeware Mac development systems out there you can try
if you are interested. Personally, I often use MacMETH Modula-2. It runs
under System 6 or System 7, haven't tried it with System 8. I should post
my version of it on the web as it has a library of Mac Toolbox routines
that for some reason were not included in the usual release. Nice
documentation, too.
I'd also look at Pocket Forth (http://keaggy.intmed.mcw.edu/pf.html) which
is probably my current favorite programming language. It is very small
but fast and can be used to build nice little standalone apps. If you are
curious as to how I have a recent article in Forth Dimensions that can be
used as a starting point, just let me know.
Others to try would be Yerk and Mops, both similar, both object-oriented
Forths. Yerk is more likely to work on old Macs. I use them when the
project is too large for Pocket Forth's dictionary (a 16-bit Forth, the
others are 32-bit and very powerful, and very well documented)
Aren't most of the IM books, at least the old ones, available from an
Apple web site somewhere? I thought they were.
Also, you'd be surprised (I am) at the amount of software that still runs
on a 12 year old Mac SE under System 6.0.8!
Finally, someone mentioned Apple's MPW as the way to get a CLI on a Mac.
Another possibility is the Alpha text editor which has a command line
shell and uses Tcl as its programming language. I don't think it runs
under System 6, though. If you want one, write your own! Give the app
the type/creator of the Finder, rename it Finder and put it in the System
Folder. When the Mac starts up it will be used in place of the Finder.
- Ron Kneusel
rkneusel(a)mcw.edu
Two questions:
1) What is a DECstation 312? Is it just a PC clone? What processor?
2) I heard of a machine called the Apricot, which came in a portable
model w/voice recognition, and several desktop ones. It seems they
were all Intel-based. Could someone tell me if they were really good
as far as the GUI and voice recognition and everything else, or just
commercial junk? How much would these machines go for?
Ok, a third question:
What is an IBM Eduquest? They are PC-like machines, but how different?
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The Okimate 10 uses a serial connection designed for computers without a
parallel port, such as the Commodore. There are interface cables made to
allow such a computer to communicate to a printer with a standard centronics
connector. However, I have never seen a way to do it the other way around
(but such a beast may exist, FAIK). A more likely scenario is to find an
adaptor to allow the Okimate to interface with a PC's serial port.
HTH,
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 1998 12:33 AM
Subject: Okimate 10
>
>I would like to inquire about the printer's cable connection. Will it
>accept a standard centronics cable? I would appreciate any information
>that you can give me regarding this matter or any information that you may
>have about the availability of an Okimate 10 module that would allow
>connection with a centronics cable.
>
>--Thank You--
>
>whunt
>
The 5140 is the IBM convertible computer released in 1986, two years after
the 5155. A real nice machine, BTW. Closer to a true portable (weighs in
at about 12 lgs.) than the previous luggables by IBM, Compaq, Kaypro, et.
al. Also one of the first (not sure of what I speak here) with a LCD screen.
For a picture and complete specs go to:
http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/5140.html
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 1998 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Portable Personal Computer
>
>
>
>>I don't know, Sam, but as one who does a bit of IBM collecting, there
seems
>>to be many more 5140s floating around out there than the 5155s. I have a
>>perfect 5140 in my collection, but the 5155 has eluded me (so far).
>>
>
>
>I know what a 5155 is, I have two of those, but what is a 5140?
>
>
I had bought an AT at an auction sale once. it was the old type 1 board, with
512k and double stacked ram chips. much to my surprise, it was upgraded to the
familiar AMI bios, which of course gave it type 47 for user defined drives!
should of kept it for that reason. i sold it before i started my collection in
1991
david
In a message dated 98-01-24 21:57:20 EST, you write:
<< Correct. The PC/AT bios only stores a drive code (a number that points to
a table in the ROM) in the CMOS RAM/RTC chip. There's no support for
storing drive parameters there.
That's why there's a kludge ROM in this machine with a patched drive
table so I could add a larger IDE drive to it. >>
When I usta repair Xerox machines, I used trichloroethane to get rid of it.
Do NOT put trichlor on hot metal (such as a fuser), or else you'll end up
with phosgene gas, which is -- shall we say -- slightlu harmful. (It was
one of the war gasses used during WWI).
I've heard that trichlor was outlawed, but I still see it around. My
favorite all-around solvent is MEK, but I haven't tried it on toner.
manney(a)nwohio.com
At 07:30 PM 1/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Dave:
>
>Sun Remarketing in Smithfield Utah still has MacWrite and MacPaint for
>the 512 and I think they have an agreement allowing them to produce
>copies of MAC OS 3.2 on 400k floppies. They did for me, anyway. Just
>copied it. Good on them. They have a page, I just dunno what it is.
You can also find System .97 and some other older systems and software to
run on them available on some page out there. Do a search on
classic+mac+software and it should pop up towards the top.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
At 03:21 PM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Jan 1998, James Bradford wrote:
>Where do these damn posts keep coming from? And why do people think they
>are sending e-mail to some dood when they post to classiccmp?
I think that's how I got subscribed to this list. I came across an obscure
reference to it on a web page and posted a message to it, pre-apologizing
for posting, and asking how to subscribe. Someone immediately helped me
out, and I'm now on the list.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
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<topic=off>
Isn't complaining that something is off-topic be off-topic in itself?
Wouldn't that complaining be better directed to the list admin or to
the off-topician themselves?
That's my insight on the matter, on-topic, off-topic, under-topic, et al.
</topic>
</twocents>
At 09:47 AM 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>sure it's all very interesting, our nerd lives, but I'm sure there's an
>IRC chat room where you can openly discuss your life and views without
>going severely off-topic.
-John Higginbotham-
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