On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 06:15  PM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
  On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
  It's completely useless to have lots of
ego-database projects. Better
 join an existing: first of all, there's already Tizianos great list
 and collectors data base, now at
 
http://www.1000bit.net/
 (formerly known as Il mio angelo - My Angel :)
 He has redone his website during this summer, and it's most definitly
 worth to give it a try. To my knowledge it's the largest existing
 cooperative project in this area. If your unhappy with some features,
 just tell him, and I bet he will update them soon. 
 Tiziano's site is cool but it suffers from not having a complete
 database
 of computer makes and models.  All in all, it's a nice effort.
  Second, our beloved friend an all time hot shoot
Sallam is tries to
 setup a similar system on his vintage market place. So, if a european
 source is suspect to you, go ahead and see what he has in mind. 
 The added advantage of the VCM database system is that it ties in to
 the
 sales and trades.  You can input your entire collection if you like or
 just the items you wish to sell.  In either case, whenever you sell or
 acquire an item, the record for that item is transfered to the new
 owner,
 thus automatically creating a line of provenance, which for rare and
 exceptional items will be critical for future historical and monetary
 valuations.  After a while, with an item trading hands several times
 (and
 as long as it all takes place on the VCM) you'll be able to know
 everyone
 who owned your item before you: very cool. 
Sellam's marketplace is nice. but it does it have a place for technical
notes,
procedures, how-tos, stories. How do I bring up a real PDP11 with
blinkenlights
and switches from cold iron? How do I install VMS on a vintage VAX?
What do I need
to know before I go and buy that vintage VAX?
  wikipedia.org already houses some quite extensive
information about
 classic machinery. Just check Atari, Osborne or DEC 
 
 Someone did a very decent Altair 8800 write-up as well.
 I've been playing around with Wiki very briefly in recent days and
 find it
 to be quite cool, and I think it is probably a permanent fixture in our
 human culture.  It's something that could have only come about with the
 internet, and it puts the power of historical record into the hands of
 ordinary folks, something that should scare the hell out of power
 whores.
 No longer will history be written by the victors.  Haha.  Fuckers.
  *1 - Just recently I heared that wikipedia
surpasses the actual issue
 of the encyclopedia Britanica in terms of size (words) and topics 
  
Wikipidia is fine. Can we have our timeline on a page to point to
pages about systems?
  That's pretty amazing!  It hasn't been around
THAT long.  Cool.
 So anyway, I agree with Hans.  Put all your vintage computer Wiki
 entries
 into the Wikipedia.
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 Sellam Ismail                                        Vintage Computer
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