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cisin@xenosoft.com
24 Apr 2011 24 Apr '11
11:31 p.m.
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> If it hasn't already been done, it would make sense to post the > depths of the cuts, so that anybody without one to copy can code-cut > it.
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
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Erm, the "XX2247" is the cut-by-numbers code. http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010137.html
What that URL says: Ethan said: Not really... the point of the XX2247 is that a full-service locksmith should be able to cross-reference that to a set of key depths, _presuming_ they can code-cut a 7-pin round key (not a universal expectation). My experience with code-cut keys is that a) they cut it, you pay, fit or no fit, and b) it's a few $$$ more than a copy. On Sun, 24 Apr 2011, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
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Old Fred, XX2247 isn't the depth cut of the key? :oO
"XX2247" is a "CODE NUMBER". Notice that it is SIX digits, two of which are 'X's. (which is NOT normally a cut number). The digits of "XX2247" are presumably COMPLETELY arbitrary, and serve to identify a given code, NOT give you the depths. (There ARE rare exceptions, where the code number and depths are algorithmically related, such as 1975 Honda door keys where the code number is just the list of depths in reverse order. I don't see an obvious algorithm. "XX" COULD be a "don't care, no pins in those slots", but we would still be missing one of the seven? cuts.) X X 2 2 4 7 is presumably the INDEX, not the VALUE (seven ints) stored in KEYS[XX2247] int KEYS[][7]; /* look up that key, get cut numbers */ /* apparently 7 spaces for this model lock */ float DEPTH[10]; /* look up each depth number to get distance */ /* # of different possible depth cuts may be */ /* other than 10, but is a constant */ /* for the particular model of lock */ A well equipped locksmith can look up "XX2247" in a "CODE BOOK", and receive a seven digit number, where each digit IS referring to a specific depth. Then, a quick glance at a "Depths and Spacings" chart will provide the actual depths of each cut number, although most code-cutting machines have databases (often in the form of dial cards) to look that up for you. If somebody MEASURES the cuts, or looks up "XX2247" in a CODE-BOOK and looks up the seven depth numbers in a Depths and Spacings chart, and then POSTS those depths, then the key can be cut manually (drill press recommended, if an appropriate keycutting machine is unavailable). -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
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