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RK05

cc@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de
22 Sep 2011 22 Sep '11
10:02 a.m.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Tony Duell wrote:
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While individual bits of these bipolar PROMs can fail (in either direction -- the fuses can 'grow back'), it's less common than failures with the other circuitry in the device. If you don't mind desoldering the ROM and reading it out, it's worth checking for : Stuck data bits (a data line which is 0 or 1 in all locations). If that pin is conencted to other circuitry, it's a fair bet that it should change sometimes Address liens that do nothing. If the first half of the dump is the same as the secodn ahlf, thena the MSB address inptu is not doign anything, if the first had second quarters and the 3rd and 4th quarters are the same, then the next addres line isn't doing anything, etc. If the address line is driven by other circuity, it's a fair bet it should ahve some effect on the output. IF the dump apsses those 2 tests, it's quite likely the ROM is OK.
I had the same ideas yesterday. Thankfully the ROM is socketed, so I read it out and found out its function and its fault. The function is more than simple... it just inverts the inputs, i.e. output M0 is the inverse of the address line A0. The sixth output M5 goes active (low) when all inputs are low (zero difference detect). The fault was the A3 input. Therefore the addresses x8-xF were mirrored at x0-x7, and the drive always assumed a track difference of >= 8. Since I don't have a source of unused 32x8 bit TTL ROMs, I've replaced the ROM with a GAL 16V8 (emulating the open-collector behaviour) using a small adapter PCB. For reference, here are the GAL equations: ; M7681 RK05 ROM 139A1 (position E1) chip condcode gal16v8 ; Pinbelegung: ; 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 nc nc /ENA /A4 /A3 /A2 /A1 /A0 nc gnd ; 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 nc nc nc D5 D4 D3 D2 D1 D0 vcc equations D0 = gnd D1 = gnd D2 = gnd D3 = gnd D4 = gnd D5 = gnd D0.oe = ENA & /A0 D1.oe = ENA & /A1 D2.oe = ENA & /A2 D3.oe = ENA & /A3 D4.oe = ENA & /A4 D5.oe = ENA & A0 & A1 & A2 & A3 & A4 Christian
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