On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 21:01 +0000, Pete Turnbull wrote: Not alt.comp.homebuilt? I think I looked there a while ago and gave up when I saw how many PC posts there were. Plus comp.arch.hobbyist seems to be totally dead (I don't know if that one was ever any good). alt.folklore.computers is sort-of ok, but the thread length and topic drift is the worst I've ever seen of any newsgroup or mailing list, so reading is either a case of skimming through a ton of crap in a thread or missing out on potentially useful stuff :( As for this list... I don't know; I'm tempted to say there's no danger of it turning into a PC support list ever. Subscribing to the list is too much trouble for someone who doesn't have an interest in classic machines and who just wants PC support help. Usenet's a different story; it's easy to crosspost to a million groups whenever someone feels like it. And there *is* cctech for moderated posts after all, so the odd off- topic post to cctalk seems no big deal to me (now at least; if it was 50% of traffic it'd annoy me!). Believe me, gun posts drive me nuts and I have no desire to read them, but I just delete the occasional one that crops up :) cheers Jules