8 May
2015
8 May
'15
8:28 a.m.
From: William Donzelli
We, the big iron collectors, do not share this
information on any sort
of registry. We are a secretive bunch.
Why is that, can I ask? I mean, it's not like a thief's going to come in and
steal the thing (which is indeed the reason why collectors in other areas are
often secretive) - it would take a truck and a crane, for most models!
From: Liam Proven
Have you read Lawrence Wilkison's account of
rescuing an S360/20 in NZ
when he was a student?
Cool story; thanks for the link - but the page says it was a 360/30. (The
smallest 'real' 360 - the 360/20 was a lobotomized 'sorta' 360/.)
Noel
8 May
8 May
8:37 a.m.
On 8 May 2015 at 17:28, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
My mistake and my apologies -- I've not reread it in some years.
A better source -- the lad himself!
http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360/
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From: Liam
Proven
Have you read Lawrence Wilkison's account of
rescuing an S360/20 in NZ
when he was a student?
Cool story; thanks for the link - but the page says it was a 360/30. (The
smallest 'real' 360 - the 360/20 was a lobotomized 'sorta' 360/.) 
8:41 a.m.
On 05/08/2015 08:28 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
Cool story; thanks for the link - but the page says it
was a 360/30. (The
smallest 'real' 360 - the 360/20 was a lobotomized 'sorta' 360/.)
"Lobotomized" is being far too generous. 16 instead of 32-bit GRs, vast
swatches of instructions missing;.. it was quite a shock to someone
moving down from the Model 30+ systems.
--Chuck
8:42 a.m.
Yes, a thief *would* come in and steal the things - at least the cards.
When I was shopping for a building for my collection, I had the scrap metal
thieves in mind. I am not so worried about it now, as I live at the place
now and have taken several steps to beef up security, but for a time, my
fear was that someone would, for example, grab a armful of cards out of a
Cyber, instantly turning the machine into a chrome donut. Where would I get
replacements?
--
Will
On May 8, 2015 11:29 AM, "Noel Chiappa" <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
From: William
Donzelli
We, the big iron collectors, do not share this
information on any
sort
of registry. We are a secretive bunch.
Why is that, can I ask? I mean, it's not like a thief's going to come in
and
steal the thing (which is indeed the reason why collectors in other areas
are
often secretive) - it would take a truck and a crane, for most models!
From: Liam Proven
Have you read Lawrence Wilkison's account of
rescuing an S360/20 in
NZ
when he was a student?
Cool story; thanks for the link - but the page says it was a 360/30. (The
smallest 'real' 360 - the 360/20 was a lobotomized 'sorta' 360/.)
Noel
11:12 a.m.
On 5/8/2015 8:42 AM, William Donzelli wrote:
Yes, a thief*would* come in and steal the things - at
least the cards.
When I was shopping for a building for my collection, I had the scrap metal
thieves in mind. I am not so worried about it now, as I live at the place
now and have taken several steps to beef up security, but for a time, my
fear was that someone would, for example, grab a armful of cards out of a
Cyber, instantly turning the machine into a chrome donut. Where would I get
replacements?
I hope that doesn't occur despite you being on the property. I
own a
house which had a 3 ton A/C unit stolen while the house was occupied.
If you have an outbuilding I hope it is properly secured to sound an
alarm, and is physically secure to make entry by casual thieves difficult.
thanks
Jim
1:15 p.m.
Is this a complete system including CPU, or just some I/O and storage devices?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161698775806
Maybe something like a 9370?
www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/9370/GA24-4031-0_9370_Installation_Manual_Phy…
1:18 p.m.
Looks fairly complete to me.
I've seen that one before...
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From: cctalk [cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] on behalf of Glen Slick [glen.slick at
gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 1:15 PM
To: jwsmail at jwsss.com; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: 360/50 microcode listing
Is this a complete system including CPU, or just some I/O and storage devices?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161698775806
Maybe something like a 9370?
www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/9370/GA24-4031-0_9370_Installation_Manual_Phy…
3:17 p.m.
Yeah...whatever happened to that pile? The best thing was probably the
3830 control unit.
--
Will
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:22 PM, jim s <jwsmail at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 5/8/2015 1:31 PM, Jay West wrote:
Yep, that one was seen here and discussed at length... what, maybe 4
months
ago?
J
I looked a bit. It is buried somewhere in the 4381 / HP3000 thread, but I
coundn't find it.
Thanks
Jim
3:16 p.m.
The guy is very difficult to work with - you just can not pin him down
on ANYTHING. I have asked for pictures, model numbers, prices,
availability - and all I get are short, nearly content-free answers.
But he sure wants me to make an offer on the lot...
--
Will
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Yep, that one was seen here and discussed at length...
what, maybe 4 months
ago?
J
1:24 p.m.
I can't see a CPU in that lot anywhere. Could be a 9370 or an AS/400
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick
Sent: 08 May 2015 21:15
To: jwsmail at jwsss.com; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: 360/50 microcode listing
Is this a complete system including CPU, or just some I/O and storage
devices?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161698775806
Maybe something like a 9370?
www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/9370/GA24-4031-
0_9370_Installation_Manual_Physical_Planning_Oct86.pdf
1:43 p.m.
On 5/8/2015 1:15 PM, Glen Slick wrote:
Is this a complete system including CPU, or just some
I/O and storage devices?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161698775806
Maybe something like a 9370?
www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/9370/GA24-4031-0_9370_Installation_Manual_Phy…
I believe that in the past this listing was discussed, and it is
remnants of a system, mostly DASD and printers.
it has been up for quite a while
Jim
9:41 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel
Chiappa
Sent: 08 May 2015 16:29
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Cc: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: 360/50 microcode listing
sort
From: William Donzelli
> We, the big iron collectors, do not share this information on any of registry.
We are a secretive bunch.
Why is that, can I ask? I mean, it's not like a thief's going to come in
the thing (which is indeed the reason why collectors
in other areas are
often
secretive) - it would take a truck and a crane, for
most models!
NZ
From: Liam Proven
> Have you read Lawrence Wilkison's account of rescuing an S360/20 in when he was a
student?
Cool story; thanks for the link - but the page says it was a 360/30. (The
smallest 'real' 360 - the 360/20 was a lobotomized 'sorta' 360/.)
Noel
8 p.m.
On 05/08/2015 11:41 AM, Dave G4UGM wrote:
It's a 30 and runs DOS. He now has a converted selectric console. Its very
impressive...
OK, the last time I read this, it seemed that he no longer
had access to the system. Here's a quote :
After that the system languished. I occasionally fired it up to
demonstrate it, but eventually I gave up paying the rent on
the office and had
the power disconnected. The building has gone through
several owners since then.
At some stage someone broke the office door down and stole
the bookshelf that
held my manuals. I haven't been back there since.
That was written in 1995. So, I figured that the machine
had likely been trashed by now.
Jon
9:20 p.m.
On 09/05/15 05:00, Jon Elson wrote:
On 05/08/2015 11:41 AM, Dave G4UGM wrote:
Dave was referring to the FPGA version, here's it (and me) from a while
back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HffTSo9zpYI
But yes, the original is long gone. The front panel survives in the
University of Auckland Computer Science department:
https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/historydisplays/FourthFloor/MainFrameComputer…
Regret for abandoning it was the main reason I started the
re-creation project.
--
Lawrence Wilkinson lawrence at ljw.me.uk
The IBM 360/30 page http://www.ljw.me.uk/ibm360
It's a 30 and runs DOS. He now has a converted selectric console. Its
very
impressive...
OK, the last time I read this, it seemed that he no longer had access
to the system. Here's a quote :
After that the system languished. I occasionally fired it up to
demonstrate it, but eventually I gave up paying the rent on the office
and had
the power disconnected. The building has gone through several owners
since then.
At some stage someone broke the office door down and stole the
bookshelf that
held my manuals. I haven't been back there since.
That was written in 1995. So, I figured that the machine had likely
been trashed by now.
Jon
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