25 Dec
2025
25 Dec
'25
3:26 p.m.
I like EDT in RSX11M and M+ and it gives the feel of vi a bit (at least for
me) in that I can CTRL-Z to line edit mode and type a command like vi
and then 'cha' back to screen mode. I don't know, perhaps calling it
vi-like is a bit much but I like how it works, EDT that is.
- Peter
On Thu, Dec 25, 2025 at 1:12 PM Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 25, 2025, 9:56 AM Peter Ekstrom via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Oh! I had tried to get TPU to start once before
but for some reason it
didn't work then. Now it works, but is more of an Emacs-style editor.
I have kept trying EDT because it is more vi-like. I did just some across
a
setup someone created at some point that has TPU emulate vi.
I may give that a try. I am so used to vi I even hit escape out of habit
in
Notepad in Windows when I have to use it.
EDT is a non-modal editor like emacs, but without all the control
character stuff. What makes it more VI like? I'm curious...
Warner
Ps it was likely the 90s since i last used EDT and then it was on my DEC
rainbow before witching to microemacs
TPU starts up now and is working so I just have to learn the commands for
it now. It should work nicely, especially if the
vi emulation works. :)
Thanks!
- Peter
On Wed, Dec 24, 2025 at 6:40 PM Mark Wickens via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
have an
just
machine.
Might be worth trying SET TERM/DEV=VT105 on the
VAX, this works much
better for TPU for example than VT100.
Mark.
it
On 24 Dec 2025, at 19:25, Wayne S via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
>
> There are several editors in VMS.
> You might try one if the others.
> I think edit/Tpu is one. Can’t remember the others.
> Maybe someone on the list can.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 24, 2025, at 11:14, Nadav Eiron <nadav.eiron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I believe set term/inquire does more than set term/type. Did you give
a try? You may also want to put TCP/IP on your MV
if you can, and save
the
Pi middle man and see if makes a difference.
is
On Wed, Dec 24, 2025 at 11:10 AM Peter Ekstrom via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
> I have tried that. It seems VT220 isn't valid in VMS 5.3-1, but VT200
> and I have tried it as well as most of the
other types as well.
> EDT is very limited in what it supports though:
>
> SET
>
> TERMINAL
>
> Format: SET TERMINAL { HCPY | VT100 | VT52 }
> { SCROLL | NOSCROLL }
> { EDIT | NOEDIT }
> { EIGHTBIT | NOEIGHTBIT }
>
> Since it works under RSX11M and M+ I was expecting it to work under
VMS
as
> well, but clearly not. I am wondering if it has something
> to do with ssh from my laptop to the pi. I have made sure TERM in each
> shell has been set before I ssh and then before I dnlogin, but
> that hasn't helped either. I don't have a screen and keyboard on the
pi.
I
> may need to setup the decnet stuff on one of my other Linux
> machines and try eliminating ssh. And I realize the subject says
telnet,
> but it really is more ssh and then dnlogin.
>
> - Peter
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2025 at 1:52 PM Wayne S <wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com
<mailto:
wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Can you set your terminal emulator to emulate a vt220 instead of
trying
>> vms to do vt100. You used the set term
vt100 command before?
>>
>> Vms has help. Just type help set from a command prompt.
>>
>> Also can do show term to see term params. Maybe show term /all …
don’t
>
remember exactly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 24, 2025, at 10:23, Peter Ekstrom via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I feel like I have tried everything, although I'm sure I haven't...
>>
>> I have my real MV 3100 up and running with a serial terminal on the
> console
>> port. It works great but I don't want to sit by the machine all the
time
>> to
>>> do stuff. I have DECnet running and am able to connect to it. I
>> old
>>> raspberry pi running a minimal linux setup with the decnet stuff
>> installed.
>>>
>>> So I ssh to the pi (named gatewy) and from there I use dnlogin to
talk
>>> DECnet and connect to the machines.
This way I can connect to my
PDP-11
>>
machines running RSX11M and M+ and use EDT to edit files in screen
mode.
>>> When I try the same under VMS, EDT starts, loads the file and enters
>> screen
>>> mode but just shows a blank screen with the cursor in the top-left
>> corner.
>>> If I go to line mode I can walk through the file and edit using line
>> mode.
>>> But as soon as I go back to the screen mode (the change command) I
>> get
>>> the blank screen.
>>>
>>> I have made sure TERM in each shell is vt100 and I have tried
forcing
VMS
>>> to VT100 but it stays with a vt200_series terminal. I also have a
SIMH
>>
MV3100 also running VMS 5.3-1 (they both run on that version) and it
acts
>> the same way as the hardware MV3100. If I
go onto the console
connection
>> in
>>> SIMH EDT works fine, as on the physical terminal on the real
>>
>> Anyone have any pointers or ideas I can try?
>>
>> - Peter
>