3 Oct
2025
3 Oct
'25
7:28 p.m.
I have updated the list I maintain of vintage computing resources. If
there are any obviously-missing links contact me privately through
vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=147
NOTE: I deleted a few sites from the list, it's a shame some of them do not
seem to have been backed up.
Thanks
Bill
3 Oct
3 Oct
11:58 p.m.
Perhaps some of the non-responding sites live on in the Wayback Machine?
Anyway, thanks for the list.
Marc
On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 8:37 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I have updated the list I maintain of vintage
computing resources. If
there are any obviously-missing links contact me privately through
vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=147
NOTE: I deleted a few sites from the list, it's a shame some of them do not
seem to have been backed up.
Thanks
Bill
4 Oct
4 Oct
12:48 p.m.
Everyone who suggested sites, thanks. All included. If I was to
criticise my own list I'd like to add more mainframe stuff, I feel like the
vintage computing community forgets how dominant IBM in particular once
was. Disproportionately not covered I guess because people did not have
"fond memories" of IBM 360's. I also could probably find a few Apple
support sites, I tend to ignore Apple just because it's covered elsewhere.
The list is really just my way of keeping track of sites I find in my
travels, but I get messages about it more often now in the past year than
in the past 10 years combined. Someone must have put the list on a popular
youtube blogger site or something.
Youtube is not a hobby.
Bill
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 12:58 AM Marc Howard <cramcram(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps some of the non-responding sites live on in
the Wayback Machine?
Anyway, thanks for the list.
Marc
On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 8:37 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have updated the list I maintain of vintage
computing resources. If
there are any obviously-missing links contact me privately through
vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=147
NOTE: I deleted a few sites from the list, it's a shame some of them do
not
seem to have been backed up.
Thanks
Bill
1:15 p.m.
I am sad when I see a classic machine junked, a IBM 370 once passed through
Tek's surplus site,
Totally torn down
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:57 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Everyone who suggested sites, thanks. All included.
If I was to
criticise my own list I'd like to add more mainframe stuff, I feel like the
vintage computing community forgets how dominant IBM in particular once
was. Disproportionately not covered I guess because people did not have
"fond memories" of IBM 360's. I also could probably find a few Apple
support sites, I tend to ignore Apple just because it's covered elsewhere.
The list is really just my way of keeping track of sites I find in my
travels, but I get messages about it more often now in the past year than
in the past 10 years combined. Someone must have put the list on a popular
youtube blogger site or something.
Youtube is not a hobby.
Bill
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 12:58 AM Marc Howard <cramcram(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps some of the non-responding sites live on
in the Wayback Machine?
Anyway, thanks for the list.
Marc
On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 8:37 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have updated the list I maintain of vintage
computing resources. If
there are any obviously-missing links contact me privately through
vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=147
NOTE: I deleted a few sites from the list, it's a shame some of them do
not
seem to have been backed up.
Thanks
Bill
1:17 p.m.
But how can anyone home and feed a 370/168?
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 11:15 AM Jim Davis <jim.p.davis(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am sad when I see a classic machine junked, a IBM
370 once passed
through Tek's surplus site,
Totally torn down
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 10:57 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Everyone who suggested sites, thanks. All
included. If I was to
criticise my own list I'd like to add more mainframe stuff, I feel like
the
vintage computing community forgets how dominant IBM in particular once
was. Disproportionately not covered I guess because people did not have
"fond memories" of IBM 360's. I also could probably find a few Apple
support sites, I tend to ignore Apple just because it's covered elsewhere.
The list is really just my way of keeping track of sites I find in my
travels, but I get messages about it more often now in the past year than
in the past 10 years combined. Someone must have put the list on a
popular
youtube blogger site or something.
Youtube is not a hobby.
Bill
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 12:58 AM Marc Howard <cramcram(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps some of the non-responding sites live on
in the Wayback Machine?
Anyway, thanks for the list.
Marc
On Fri, Oct 3, 2025 at 8:37 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have updated the list I maintain of vintage
computing resources. If
there are any obviously-missing links contact me privately through
vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=147
NOTE: I deleted a few sites from the list, it's a shame some of them do
not
seem to have been backed up.
Thanks
Bill
2:27 p.m.
On 10/4/25 13:17, Jim Davis via cctalk wrote:
But how can anyone home and feed a 370/168?
168? No WAY! Massive weight, water cooling and massive
power consumption. But, a friend of mine had a 370/145 in a
bedroom of his house. We were trying to power it up with
the standard motor/generator set. but, to reduce the parts
they had to stock, I suspect IBM used a one size fits all
scheme. The motor was a 20 HP monster, but the 145 CPU only
used about 1600 W DC. Vast overkill, and the reactive power
that motor drew exceeded anything we could supply. We did
get it to spin, but had to have a guy hold the handle on the
breaker!
Jon
3:22 p.m.
It's like three mother-in-laws moving in. What was the power consumption on
a minimal 370?
Even a 360 would almost require another transformer at the poll . You could
heat your house.
On Sat, Oct 4, 2025 at 12:37 PM Jon Elson via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 10/4/25 13:17, Jim Davis via cctalk wrote:
But how can anyone home and feed a 370/168?
168? No WAY! Massive weight, water cooling and massive
power consumption. But, a friend of mine had a 370/145 in a
bedroom of his house. We were trying to power it up with
the standard motor/generator set. but, to reduce the parts
they had to stock, I suspect IBM used a one size fits all
scheme. The motor was a 20 HP monster, but the 145 CPU only
used about 1600 W DC. Vast overkill, and the reactive power
that motor drew exceeded anything we could supply. We did
get it to spin, but had to have a guy hold the handle on the
breaker!
Jon
5 Oct
5 Oct
9:48 a.m.
On 10/4/25 15:22, Jim Davis via cctalk wrote:
It's like three mother-in-laws moving in. What was
the power consumption on
a minimal 370?
Even a 360 would almost require another transformer at the poll . You could
heat your house.
The 370/145 had a power draw of about 2KW, but must have had
an INSANELY bad power factor due to the lightly-loaded huge
motor in the motor-generator set. There was a 370/115 at
the bottom of the hierarchy, I think it had an 8-bit data
path, so power consumption would have been less.
Really, the power draw is not that huge, but the power
factor is a huge problem. Of course, for my friend, he
would have had to come up with a disk controller, tape
controller, unit record controller and comms controller.
Totally insane to think he'd get that running in a spare
bedroom!
Jon
2:07 a.m.
On 10/4/25 14:27, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
On 10/4/25 13:17, Jim Davis via cctalk wrote:
If it had become available I'd have taken the 360/50 at UMR or either of
the 43xx machines. I owned a 4381 for a time. At a friend's site in
O'Fallon we brought up a 4341 on VM/SP5 for him to test peripherals.
The deep freeze machines were excellent with the 4361 being at the top
of the heap. All had comm controllers for console and 3 extra
terminals, and the 4361 had a storage director. Only needed to add a
3375 plus some sort of channel attached tape to be running a big PC.
He serviced the IBM check sorters, one of two who did at the time.
thanks
Jim
But how can anyone home and feed a 370/168?
168? No WAY! Massive weight, water cooling and massive power
consumption. But, a friend of mine had a 370/145 in a bedroom of his
house. We were trying to power it up with the standard
motor/generator set. but, to reduce the parts they had to stock, I
suspect IBM used a one size fits all scheme. The motor was a 20 HP
monster, but the 145 CPU only used about 1600 W DC. Vast overkill,
and the reactive power that motor drew exceeded anything we could
supply. We did get it to spin, but had to have a guy hold the handle
on the breaker!
Jon
9 Oct
9 Oct
12:30 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
I'm thinking of thinning my collection of DEC/PDP-11 related equipment and recall
hearing that there
are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can someone please invite me
(tuban96)
and / or recommend other avenues to find interested parties?
--tnx
--tom
12:53 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
Hi,
On Thursday, October 9th, 2025 at 10:47 AM, Tom Uban via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm thinking of thinning my collection of
DEC/PDP-11 related equipment and recall hearing that there
are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can someone please invite
me (tuban96)
and / or recommend other avenues to find interested parties?
--tnx
--tom
You know, I don't have a PDP11 and I'd like one; ideally one of the later, small
ones with the idea I can put it in my rack. I don't have space for a large
stand-alone unit.
Mairi
1:35 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
On 10/9/25 12:53, Mairi via cctalk wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday, October 9th, 2025 at 10:47 AM, Tom Uban via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
The smallest/newest 11 I have is an 11/73 in an 11/23 chassis, with a pair of RL02s
drives, all in a
short 40" (H9642 I think) cabinet.
It hasn't been run in some time, but ran when stored. I have loads of RL02 packs for
it with various
OSs.
Located in NW Indiana.
--tom
I'm thinking of thinning my collection of
DEC/PDP-11 related equipment and recall hearing that there
are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can someone please invite
me (tuban96)
and / or recommend other avenues to find interested parties?
--tnx
--tom
You know, I don't have a PDP11 and I'd like one; ideally one of the
later, small ones with the idea I can put it in my rack. I don't have space for a
large stand-alone unit.
Mairi 
1:45 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
That sounds like a good machine, but I wouldn't be able to get out there
until May of next year. I'm in Denver, so if you're happy to wait, I'd be
happy to work something out.
~Daniel
On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 12:42 Tom Uban via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 10/9/25 12:53, Mairi via cctalk wrote:
later, small ones with the idea I can put it in my rack. I don't have
space for a large stand-alone unit.
Hi,
On Thursday, October 9th, 2025 at 10:47 AM, Tom Uban via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> I'm thinking of thinning my collection of DEC/PDP-11 related equipment
and recall hearing that there
> are some discord channels that might be a
good place to post. Can
someone please invite me (tuban96)
and / or
recommend other avenues to find interested parties?
--tnx
--tom
You know, I don't have a PDP11 and I'd like one; ideally one of the
Mairi
The smallest/newest 11 I have is an 11/73 in an 11/23 chassis, with a pair
of RL02s drives, all in a
short 40" (H9642 I think) cabinet.
It hasn't been run in some time, but ran when stored. I have loads of RL02
packs for it with various
OSs.
Located in NW Indiana.
--tom
8:30 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
Tom,
I'm located in the western suburbs of Chicago. I might be interested in
an early PDP-11 with DECTAPE and RL02.
Contact me off list at bitwiz(a)12bitsbest.com
Mike
On 10/9/2025 1:35 PM, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote:
On 10/9/25 12:53, Mairi via cctalk wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday, October 9th, 2025 at 10:47 AM, Tom Uban via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
The smallest/newest 11 I have is an 11/73 in an 11/23 chassis, with a
pair of RL02s drives, all in a short 40" (H9642 I think) cabinet.
It hasn't been run in some time, but ran when stored. I have loads of
RL02 packs for it with various OSs.
Located in NW Indiana.
--tom I'm thinking of thinning my collection of
DEC/PDP-11 related
equipment and recall hearing that there
are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can
someone please invite me (tuban96)
and / or recommend other avenues to find interested parties?
--tnx
--tom
You know, I don't have a PDP11 and I'd like one; ideally one of the
later, small ones with the idea I can put it in my rack. I don't
have space for a large stand-alone unit.
Mairi 
8:52 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
I am also planning to downsize a bit... I have an 11/23+, in the
"corporate cabinet" with two RL02, 4 MB RAM, 16 serial lines, RQDX3 for
3.5" floppy interface, VT-220 console terminal, and several disk packs.
Make me a reasonable offer. In south central Missouri.
thanks
Charles
On 10/9/25 20:30, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Tom,
I'm located in the western suburbs of Chicago. I might be interested in
an early PDP-11 with DECTAPE and RL02.
Contact me off list at bitwiz(a)12bitsbest.com
Mike
On 10/9/2025 1:35 PM, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote:
> On 10/9/25 12:53, Mairi via cctalk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thursday, October 9th, 2025 at 10:47 AM, Tom Uban via cctalk
>> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking of thinning my collection of DEC/PDP-11 related
>>> equipment and recall hearing that there
>>> are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can
>>> someone please invite me (tuban96)
>>> and / or recommend other avenues to find interested parties?
>>>
>>> --tnx
>>> --tom
>> You know, I don't have a PDP11 and I'd like one; ideally one of the
>> later, small ones with the idea I can put it in my rack. I don't
>> have space for a large stand-alone unit.
>>
>> Mairi
> The smallest/newest 11 I have is an 11/73 in an 11/23 chassis, with a
> pair of RL02s drives, all in a short 40" (H9642 I think) cabinet.
> It hasn't been run in some time, but ran when stored. I have loads of
> RL02 packs for it with various OSs.
> Located in NW Indiana.
>
> --tom
12:58 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
I don't know about discord but I would think that right here is a good place.
paul
On Oct 9, 2025, at 1:30 PM, Tom Uban via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm thinking of thinning my collection of DEC/PDP-11 related equipment and recall
hearing that there are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can
someone please invite me (tuban96) and / or recommend other avenues to find interested
parties?
--tnx
--tom
1:30 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
On 10/9/2025 12:58 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I don't know about discord but I would think that
right here is a good place.
paul
I agree.
Also the Vintage Computer Federation Forums ( https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php )
Specifically the DEC and Vintage Computer Items For Sale or Trade sub forums
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/dec/
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/vintage-computer-items-for-sale-or…
> On Oct 9, 2025, at 1:30 PM, Tom Uban via
cctalk<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of thinning my collection of DEC/PDP-11 related equipment and recall
hearing that there are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can
someone please invite me (tuban96) and / or recommend other avenues to find interested
parties?
>
> --tnx
> --tom
Also posting your general location helps for people to know if they have a shot
--
John H. Reinhardt
1:32 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
On 10/9/2025 12:58 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I don't know about discord but I would think that
right here is a good place.
paul
I agree.
Also the Vintage Computer Federation Forums ( https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php )
Specifically the DEC and Vintage Computer Items For Sale or Trade sub forums
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/dec/
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/vintage-computer-items-for-sale-or…
> On Oct 9, 2025, at 1:30 PM, Tom Uban via
cctalk<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of thinning my collection of DEC/PDP-11 related equipment and recall
hearing that there are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can
someone please invite me (tuban96) and / or recommend other avenues to find interested
parties?
>
> --tnx
> --tom
Also posting your general location helps for people to know if they have a shot
--
John H. Reinhardt
And I did it again - replied and it went to Paul. Sorry.
1:22 p.m.
New subject: thinning my PDP-11 heard
Where are you located? I'm interested in getting a PDP-11 too. I have a
small desktop one, but wouldn't mind having something bigger.
~Daniel
On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 11:47 Tom Uban via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I'm thinking of thinning my collection of
DEC/PDP-11 related equipment and
recall hearing that there
are some discord channels that might be a good place to post. Can someone
please invite me (tuban96)
and / or recommend other avenues to find interested parties?
--tnx
--tom
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