Today's haul. Found at a garage sale! A complete HP-86A computer system.
Here's what I got.
5933-7832(D) Series 80 Personal Computer Retail Price List
HP/5933-7804 Series 80 Personal Computer Software Catalog (6/83)
00087-13519 Word/80, HP-86/87, Hewlett Packard Series 80 case w/ Manual,
pocket guide, 1 5.25 fd, ovl.
00087-13511 VisiCalc PLUS, HP-86/87, Hewlett Packard Series 80 case w/
Manual, pocket guide, 1 5.25 fd.
00087-13520 File/80, HP-86/87, Hewlett Packard Series 80 case w/ Manual,
pocket guide, 6 5.25 fd.
00085-13046 Surveying Pac, HP-83/85, Hewlett Packard Series 80 case w/
Manual, 1 5.25 fd.
82950-90001 HP 82950A Modem Owner’s Manual
00087-90121 I/O ROM Owner’s Manual
00085-90003 rD HP-85 Standard Pac Manual
00086-90014 Introduction to the HP 86
00087-90017 HP-86/87 Operating and BASIC Programming Manual
82901-90001 HP 82901 M/S, HP 82902 M/S Flexible Disc Drive Operator’s Manual
82937-90017 HP-IB Interface Owner’s Manual
00087-90614 Miksam ROM Owner’s Manual, HP-86/87
00087-90612 Miksam ROM Pocket Guide, HP-86/87
00087-90141 Assembler ROM Pocket Guide, HP-87
00087-90001 HP-86/87 Pocket Guide
HP 82950A Modem
HP 82909A 128K Memory Module
HP 82913A Video Monitor
HP 82937 HP-IB interface
HP-86 computer (“A” model with built-in parallel printer port and two
built-in floppy drive interfaces.)
83A Okidata printer.
HP ??? Parallel printer cable
HP 82929A Programmable ROM Module
HP 82936A ROM Drawer with:
000877-15002 Plotter ROM
00087-15003 I/O ROM
00087-60912 “Service ROM-- System”
00087-12035 System Demonstration Disc, HP-86/87 (5.2.5” disk)
00083-12056 82950A MODEM Communications, Series 80 (5.2.5” disk)
00087-15007 Assembler (5.2.5” disk)
Not bad for one day! :-)
Joe
On Oct 23, 19:15, Tony Duell wrote:
> We found that toner didn't stick that well to acetate film, and that we
> often ended up with gaps in tracks, etc. Amazingly, printing onto _paper_
> and giving it a very long exposure in the UV box helped a lot. Sounds
> crazy, but I've got the boards to prove it :-)
I find drafting film is best - but make sure you get the type that
withstands the heat of a laserprinter or photocopier :-)
> Many components can be soldered on both sides (Turned-pin IC sockets help
> here, but I use nothing else anyway). For those that can't I use the
> proper track pins. The PTH 'repair' kits are out of this world when it
> comes to prices...
I don't like soldering components on both sides, because it makes
modifications/repairs harder later. For special purposes, I do sometimes
use pins extracted from turned-pin sockets, though, and I don't mind
soldering those on both sides.
> There's always the good old HP plotter with a metal-tipped pen onto film.
> Takes a bit of fiddling, and it's slow, but it works. And it's a _lot_
> cheaper to find an old HP A3 (or larger) plotter than a similar
laserprinter.
I forgot about that one -- silly, because in a previous job, we used to do
that quite a lot.
> For small board (<A4), a laserprinter seems to be the way to go for the
> hobbyist. Pick up an old CX or SX engined machine and rebuild it (this
> _is_ classiccmp, after all) :-)...
Yup. And the older engines often seem to be better for this sort of
purpose than the newer ones.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
>With machines like this there is a saying, "If you need to ask....".
>Basically it's a large machine, larger than a 19" rack (only about 4.5-5
>feet tall though). IIRC, the power requirements aren't that bad, you
>should be able to run it off a dryer circuit (as long as the dryer isn't in
>use), and it's single phase.
Hmm - I know that lower-numbered 6000 CPU's had three-phase 208V
power supplies. At what point did they go back to single phase?
Not that a three-phase power requirement on a 6000 is a killer - they
actually don't suck very much current, so a electronic phase converter
on a dryer circuit is a *very* reasonable approach.
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
<> I also believe the DLT is helical scan versus CompacTape's linear scan
<> technology.
No they are all linear. Helical scan is used for some 8mm and most 4mm.
What seperates DLT (and the TK50/70 forrunners) is the tape is wider and
high bit packing.
<It's still linear. That's what the "L" in DLT stands for. For example
<ECMA Standard 286 defines DLT 6 as having 208 linear tracks.
Correct.
<This is alleged to allow for much better tape robustness, since it doesn't
<get beaten to death with every pass. This is why Seagate, HP, and IBM
<have joined forces to develop a new LTO (Linear Tape Open) standard:
Having used it and am using it for backup it's reputation for reliability
is real. It's the backup of choice for a lot of stuff.
Allison
Think "refrigerator", think "family of four." Depends a bit on the
peripherals as well.
Check out http://www.digital.com/timeline/1988-2.htm (and check out the
vax-vixen, this was clearly before DEC started selling to women :-)
--Chuck
At 11:30 PM 10/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't know much about Vaxen, or DEC anything for that matter, but I'd
>like to learn. How big is it? How old is it? How's the loading
>facilities? What sort of power is required?
Hi Folks,
Over a week ago here I announced the availability of the RT-11 Freeware
CD, and many folks have ordered copies through Amazon.com. I'm guessing
(hoping) that all US folks who had ordered early on have received
their copies by now. With a little bit of luck, international airmail
may have come through for the folks outside the US too. (Though
Kevin tells me that his still hasn't arrived in Vancouver, and that
has me a bit worried. Some folks in the Seattle area got theirs
on Tuesday - and Vancouver just isn't all that much further away,
at least if you ignore that border! I wonder if the Customs Canada
folks are puzzling over the concept of RT-11 and that's what is slowing
things down...)
The RSX-11 Freeware CD's are coming along. Present plans are
for there to be 4 (yes, *four*) CD's in the set. Two will contain
ODS-1 filesystems, and will be directly readable on an -11 with attached
CD-ROM drive, and two will contain ISO9660 filesystems, and be convenient
for browsing or study on a PC or workstation.
I was rather lucky with the RT-11 CD that I could squeeze both
an ISO9660 volume and 7 RT-11 partitions on the same disc. There's
just *way too much* RSX-11 stuff to do this for the RSX-11 collection,
and besides there's no easy way to put both ISO9660 and ODS-1 filesystems
on the same disc.
For those anxious folks who want to see the RSX CD labels, they
can point their browser at
http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/freeware.html
If any wants to correct the grammar on the labels, specifically the section
that attempts to explain where you should use the ODS-1 CD's and where
you should use the ISO9660 CD's, they're welcome to whack away!
Current plans are for me to sell all 4 RSX CD's in a set for $40.00.
I did once have thoughts of making one set of two for ISO9660 users
and a different set of two for ODS-1 users, but I decided that I'd just confuse
potential users too much about which set they really needed and as
a result the CD's wouldn't get into the hands of potential users. Of
course, by packaging all four at once I have to charge a bit more money
for the larger set, and maybe this keeps the CD's out of the hands of
some potential users too. If anyone has any feelings/thoughts
on this issue, I'd be glad to hear them!
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
>I just bought a Philips Odyssey 2001, i know it`s a bit offtopic
>but does anyone know how old it is ?. The first thing I did was
>to open it up to look for somekind of infomation to it`s age
>but I did`t find any dates at all. I have found a bit infomation
>about a Odyssey 100 & 200, but nothing about a 2001.
>
>Regards Jacob Dahl Pind
Best I can tell this machine was manufactured in 1978, and is not very
common unlike the 2000, 200 and 500 series pong games by Magnavox..
Its also closely related to the Phillips European version called the G7000..
Hope this helps..
Phil...
<> Actually shouldn't the list read more like:
<>
<> TK50 CompacTape 95MB 350 o
<> TK70 CompacTape II 270MB 350 o
<> TK?? CompacTape III (DLT) 20GB/40GB 1540 o
<> TK87 CompacTape IV (DLT) 35GB/70GB 1850 o
<
<Jerome Fine replies:
<
<Special thanks to Chuck McManis and Zane Healy for the
<URL and the information.
<
<Based on the data within the above tables (and at the URL),
<there seems no doubt that DEC practised their usual
<antics back in the 1980s when they practised their standard
<marketing policy of adding "nothing". From my experience
A foolish remark. The change and added "nothing" as you called it was
the TK50 media was formatted (init'ed) and verified at the higher bit
density. It was also marked differently so these with TK70 and TK50s in
their sites would know them apart (and DEC would in their stockrooms too).
TK 50 had been around for a few years before TK70 and was not enjoying a
good rep as the early tk50 drives where to say the least unreliable.
They are fixed and the TK70 was really the DLT standard setter for
reliability in field use. Marketing really didn't want the two confused.
The TKs be came part of Quantum in the big sell off and quantum really
wanted divorce them selves from the TK50 or any TKmumble plus moving the
performance ahead.
So there is a lot of "nothing" between the lines.
Allison
In a message dated 10/18/99 12:50:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mikeford(a)socal.rr.com writes:
>
> I and many others have given the issue a LOT of thought, and basically the
> idea of a "live" finish is EXTREMELY popular among both buyers and sellers.
> Implementing it is not a small or simple problem, especially within the
> browser environment which expects the user to ask for updates.
>
One of the other sites I sell on is the LabX auction. This is a 'Live Finish'
auction where the time is extended in two minute increments until there are
no more bids. I think it has a real time function but I have never used it. I
have only sold. never bought.
I really like their format for an auction. It does keep the feeling of the
oral auction. LabX makes their income off of much higher listing fees than
ebay. They do not charge the transaction fee. This seems to be stable
software. I have been using them for a couple of years.
I believe they will sell their software.
I recommend LabX if you have to buy or sell lab equipment. Many pieces of lab
equipment use classic computers within, to keep this on topic.
http://www.labx.com
I do think having a 'live finish' raises the prices paid.
Paxton
In a message dated 10/17/99 5:54:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thompson(a)mail.athenet.net writes:
> hat is one aspect of Ebay that I don't understand -- that some sellers
> will put multiple identical items up at the same time potentially keeping
> their bid prices down by preventing a war between two anxious prospective
> buyers over one item. It seems to make sense to put a large number of
> different items out at once instead.
>
