test-drb June 2009

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[personal] Re: Stanford's PDP-6 ( was Re: Hardware Hobbyists vs. EmulatorJockeys)

by ian_primus＠yahoo.com

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> wrote: > Would any of > the list members now take it on themselves to accumulate > all of the > Pentium I PCs that they could get their hands on? How > about CRT > monitors? I collect old CRT monitors. Primarily early workstaion monitors, monochrome monitors, unusual monitors and early VGA monitors. I collect them to go with the old computers I collect. I hate using old iron with new monitors. Doesn't seem right somehow. And, I have a real hatred of LCD monitors. CRT's have much better picture, IMHO. > For my part, today I'm taking a fixed-frequency HP > workstation > monitor down to the recyclers. It's a nice unit, but > it's large and > heavy and an LCD gives a better display. No point to > keeping it at > all. You shouldn't scrap that! For one, that's exactly the kind of monitor I've been looking for for a long time now, and for two - it's important to preserve this kind of hardware. I mean, sure, you _can_ use an LCD with an old HP workstation, but would you want to? Not exactly accurate, if you ask me. -Ian

16 years, 1 month

IBM Thinkpad 600e can't get past password prompt...

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

Dan, You seem to be missing the point of my request for help. 1. The laptop is worth about $50.00, I'm not spending $1200 to recover data off the HDD, and neither is my friend who it belongs to. She is upset losing the $100 it cost her two years ago. 2. The laptop doesn't boot. It asks for a password. This is in the BIOS. It can't be bypassed to boot from floppy or CD. Without this password, the system is bricked. There is no way to recover it other than changing the logic board and HDD. Since all I want is the HDD data, that is not the solution. There is a way to recover the password, but nobody will tell me where the TPM chip is located on the 600e logic board. I don't want to just take the laptop totally apart. I want to take as little apart as possible. I'm hoping someone knows the IBM master password so I can get into the bios and reset the system. Barring that, this system is junk. Thanks anyway. ----- Original Message ---- Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:06:28 -0400 From: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> take it to a data recovery place, ask for a free estimate. be prepared to pay $1200 or more. as for the CMOS, you can still wipe it. remove the HDD, then boot either floppy or CD that would bypass that password, would also confirm exactly how it is locked. you can still try to contact IBM for recovery (for a large fee I suspect) otherwise you're SOL Dan.

16 years, 1 month

Hardware Hobbyists vs. Emulator Jockeys

by roger.holmes＠microspot.co.uk

On 16 Jun 2009, at 18:00, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > > From: Warren Wolfe <lists at databasics.us> > > Roger Holmes wrote: >> My machine was killed off by the introduction of the 360, i.e. its >> older. >> The ICT1301 was announced 1959 and my one (the first to leave the >> factory) was shipped in 1962. >> The IBM 360 was I understand announced in 1965, probably shipped >> quite >> soon after. > > You have the FIRST computer of a type manufactured and shipped in > 1962? Yes that's right. The University of London twisted ICT's arm by saying if they did not fulfil the order, there would not be any undergraduate intake in 1962 and they would make sure everybody knew who was to blame. ICT made an extra prototype machine and shipped it. Every few weeks a group of engineers would come out and spend a day fitting the latest modifications to the prototype to bring it up to date. Students were not allowed anywhere near the machine, it was used purely for administrative purposes, plus putting examination results into grades and printing the pass slips and certificates. On de-commissioning it was offered to some engineering students who ran it as a bureaux come commune (this was the 1960s) on a what customers could afford basis. For instance it handled the membership list of the legalise cannabis movement which could not afford much but did not want their data got at by the authorities. That generated a few problems with the powers that be for the then owners. I bought it from them around 1977. > > That is a truly major score. That's freaking HISTORIC. Good lord, do > you store it in your house? It would not fit in my house. It is in a barn that used to be used for breeding rabbits (there's a job you'd think was easy) until they were wiped out by myxomatosis and the owners went bust. > How much power does it use? 13kVA three phase. It weighs about five tons and occupies 700 square feet. Roger Holmes. > > > > Warren

16 years, 1 month

Speaking of rediculous prices

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Ed Groenenberg <quapla at xs4all.nl> wrote: > Have a look at item 300323705513 on ebay. > > A rather high price imo. The VT05 is exceedingly rare, and much desired. It is quite possible the seller will get his price, though not from me. Gotta love that 70's styling, though. --Bill

16 years, 1 month

Linus 1st Computer, Re: British Computers,

by christian_liendo＠yahoo.com

I think his Grandfather's VIC-20 did that. He was programming on that as a child. He bought the QL later on.. --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Julian Skidmore <julianskidmore at yahoo.com> wrote: > > Speaking of QDOS - Sinclair's uber-cheap 68008 QL also fell > into Linus > Torvolds young paws; setting him on the road to fame and > fortune - > kinda handy that :-) ! > > -cheers from julz @P

16 years, 1 month

IBM Thinkpad 600e can't get past password prompt...

by amouses＠gmail.com

Well a lot could be said about passwords! I have not seen all the posts but you need to clearly say the exact 4 digit IBM machine type and additional submodel code so everybody clearly knows the exact laptop you are fixing. Also identify which password you are trying to recover. I suggest the first point of call is the maintenance manual here IBM Thinkpad 600E maintenance manual http://www.linuxfocus.org/~guido/gentoo-tp600e/600e_hw_maintenance_manual.p… This will tell you about the different passwords: e.g. Power-On, Supervisor, Hard Disk .... It appears that for a 600E you can reset the Power On Password by shorting pads onthe motherboard. --------- I did find an entertaining article about hacking the Supervisor password http://sodoityourself.com/hacking-ibm-thinkpad-bios-password/ This sounds ideal if you really like soldering and have a lot of free time on your hands. Let us all know how you get on! PS: As an aside, if anybody has a good article on how exactly hard disk passwords work, please post the link. I never quite figured out the exact mechanism of storing the HDD password, and communicating it to the BIOS/OS on first access. regards marcus b.

16 years, 1 month

Speaking of rediculous prices

by quapla＠xs4all.nl

Have a look at item 300323705513 on ebay. A rather high price imo. Not affiliated etc. etc. etc.. -- Certified : VCP 3.x, SCSI 3.x SCSA S10, SCNA S10

16 years, 1 month

British Computers, was: Hardware Hobbyists vs. Emulator Jockeys

by julianskidmore＠yahoo.com

bfranchuk wrote: > My gripe with British Computers of that era, No floppy drive of any kind. Sure, if British=Sinclair. But if British=Acorn or British=Dragon Data (wow) or British=Amstrad or British=Nascom or British=... well you get the picture. But who would even want to complain about the cheap and cheerful Speccy? At only 175ukp in 1982 it was cheaper than a modern netbook and single- handedly put computers into the sticky, but impoverished hands of around 2% of Brits. You gotta give'em a bit of Kudos ;-) ! Speaking of QDOS - Sinclair's uber-cheap 68008 QL also fell into Linus Torvolds young paws; setting him on the road to fame and fortune - kinda handy that :-) ! -cheers from julz @P

16 years, 1 month

hp laserjet 4si

by james＠jfc.org.uk

does anyone in the UK want one of these? it has postscript support, a duplex unit and a jet direct card. it was working fine until last week when it started displaying a "54 service" error. i have a spare maintenance kit (with fuser) and an unused toner cartridge for it. i expect the maintenance kit would get it going again, but to be honest i'd rather free up the (considerable) space. this would be pickup only from york.? it would be yorkshire's favourite price, of course. i'll help you carry it downstairs too! if you want it, let me know within the next week, or it might find a less loving home... -- James F. Carter www.jfc.org.uk www.podquiz.com www.starringthecomputer.com

16 years, 1 month

Doing DU0 bootable with RT11 5.3 from one TU58

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. I started one virtual TU58 with RT11 5.3 from the COM1 of my laptop in my PDP-11/23 PLUS using TU58EM. In the same machine I have one DILOG DQ696 with one ESDI hard drive of 768 Mb. I want to convert the ESDI drive in a bootable device with RT11. I've initialized the DU0 and copied the complete system from the DD0 (TU58) Searching for the fast path to continue... Someone knows what must I do exactly now to continue ? Thanks in advance. Regards Sergio

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