In a message dated Fri, 14 Jul 2000 2:35:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Jim Oaks" <jimoaks(a)one.net> writes:
<< I picked up a couple of macs at a Goodwill store a couple of days ago and
found a connector with
them that im not sure what it is and wanted to see if anyone on here might
know what it is.
The items I picked up were
Performa 637cd
Quadra 660av
15" Multiscan Monitor
Modem
2 Keyboards
1 mouse
and this connector has the following config at the open end it has 5 rows of
very small female connectors
at the other end it has 4 wires, one is a video connector, one is a
keyboard/mouse and a speaker and mic connector.
Can anyone tell me what this is?
Also I was able to get this all for 25$ The 637cd works great but haven't
been able to test the
660av since I need a special connector to get it to work with this monitor.
Also if anyone has a connector to hook this monitor up to the 660av please
let me know.
Thanks
Jim
>>
that 660av is a nice machine! I got one for $25 in a 24/1G configuration and got the matching applevision display with it. There is a special adaptor that connected the applevision and 660av together because the applevision display has speakers, mic and ADB plugs on it. IIRC on mine, it was a funny shaped box and a thick cable which plugged into it. thankfully the 660av has a standard macII series video connection so any of the mac monitors of that time will still work with it.
Asking for info on the cards in my new IIgs, I'm getting stories that
the Applied Engineering RAMKeeper was reportedly the cause of a
couple of houses burning down. Anyone have anything on this or
is it just another UL? I hadn't planned on really using the card and
someone wants to trade me for it but maybe I should hold on to it
just for the "history". :-)
-----
David Williams - Computer Packrat
dlw(a)trailingedge.com
http://www.trailingedge.com
> I've seen a document that described SmallTalk and thought it still looks
> better than anything I've seen up to now; I think you're right about the
> Star though, from what I remember of the Horn/Raskin discussion. I knew
> Bruce Horn he was one of the SmallTalk developers though, dunno why I
didn't
> mention it.
Although I run Squeak under Windows and on a Power Mac, I still prefer
running the original Xerox Smalltalk-80 VI2.2 under System 6 on a Mac.
I have it on a IIci, but the IIci has a Radius Rocket in it, and the
virtual machine doesn't like its 68040. I have a Mac IIfx I'll be running
it on in the near future, at almost twice the speed of the IIci's '030.
I'll have to run the benchmarks, but I think it runs at 0.5 Dolphin.
-dq
>
> cheers
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com]
> > Sent: 14 July 2000 13:58
> > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
> > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion!
> >
> >
> > I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported
> > to the Star.
> > It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as
> > well as another
> > Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was
> > working at
> > PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to Apple, because
> > Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked like it knew
> > what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door).
> >
> > For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to
> play with, you
> > should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's
> > authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything
> > ST80 was and more.
> >
> > You can find info about Squeak at:
http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/
> From what I've been reading in the last couple of months it was neither -
> both Steve Jobs and Gates toured Xerox PARC in the late 70s; Lisa at this
> point was already in development but needed a front end so the Lisa team
> took some of the ideas from Smalltalk running on the Xerox STAR and
improved
> on them to develop the QuickDraw primitives found in Lisa. Gates
apparently
> got more ideas from when Microsoft were at Apple while Apple were helping
> them develop software for the Mac that was being worked on at the same
time.
I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported to the Star.
It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as well as another
Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was working at
PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to Apple, because
Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked like it knew
what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door).
For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to play with, you
should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's
authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything
ST80 was and more.
You can find info about Squeak at: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/
> 2 of the main developers of the Mac platform were Bruce Horn
> and Jef Raskin, their side of things can be found here:
Bruce Horn also "did time" at PARC, working on Smalltalk-80.
-doug q
> http://www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=lisa.html
>
> Follow the link at the bottom of the screen. Makes for
> interesting reading
> IMO!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Vohs [mailto:netsurfer_x1@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: 08 July 2000 21:37
> > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> > Subject: Another tech legend for discussion!
> >
> >
> > I have another tech legend to be dicussed:
> >
> > It is generally believed that the Apple Lisa is what spurred
> > Bill Gates to
> > create Windows. But recently I have read something that says
> > it was *not*
> > the Lisa that inspired Bill Gates, but that it was
> VisiCorp's VisiOn
> > software (remember that, yeah, me neither!). So my question
> > is: Which one
> > was it? Was it Lisa or VisiOn?
> > ______________________________________________________________
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>
I suppose I ought to start advertising on the list. Anyway, the
Retrocomputing Society of Rhode Island will be holding this month's open
house on the 15th of the month, next Saturday, at our Millspace in
Providence, Rhode Island. Directions can be found on our websight at
<www.osfn.org/rcs>.
This month's topic is the machines of MAI/Basic Four. Essentially, we will
be examining just what we have in this line, as we have really done little
with the machines since we obtained them. We will also be discussing a
possible move to another room in the building, our recently arrived
Symbolics machines, the electrical upgrade, future open house topics, and
so on. There will also be a great deal of general computer geek talk.
Please email me (or the list) with any questions. All are invited. No charge!
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
> Has anyone any info on this machine ? I have a copied software
> manual and some brochures and Phillips Micom newsletters.
>
Yikes, sounds like something I gutted a few years back. I kept
some pieces, most notably the 8-inch Tandon floppies and the
daisywheel printer. Gave one Tandon away. It was 8080a based,
IIRC. Have never tried the printer, strangely enough.
Could be what I had was somrthing else, tho... -dq
I found this type SFI-534 card in an IBM 5155 I recently bought. No
software for it was on the 5155's hard drive (21mb Seagate).
What is intriguing is what is on this board:
MC6809P (socketed)
MC6850P
MC6840P
MC6854P
HY6264P-10 (x2)
HD46504P/HD6844P
AM2130-12PC (socketed)
27264-25 EPROM (socketed)
DB9M and DB9F
The board is switch selectable to be addressed anywhere from CA000-CA3FF
through D3000-D33FF.
It looks like it can be a lot of fun to play with if I can find any
information (I.E. Schematics, etc.). From what I've found out so far,
this board uses RS-422 for communication. All the receivers/drivers and
protection circuitry is under the metal cover.
Anyone know anything about this board?
There's one very similar to it on eBay now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=381126929
,with photo.
I put a $0.01 bid on it just so I can easily track the action, so if
anyone else wants one of these boards, feel free to bid on it also. I
have no desire, yet, to own another one.
Bill
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Your computer will do far more than you ever expected it to,
and that won't be enough.
Pournelle's First Law
I assume you mean something like a VAX 11/730 rather than the ol' Austin
Morris car of the same name? :) Actually, I would't tarnish a VAX by roping
a politician to one, so how about an AS/400 instead?
<ducks to avoid possible dec/ibm war>
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Robertson [mailto:steverob@hotoffice.com]
Sent: 14 July 2000 15:33
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Unresistable pond comment
> > There's just one thing wrong with that idea: it would be extremely
> > cruel to the plants and creatures living in the pond.
> Would you want
> > to be a plant, fish or frog and have a politician plopped into your
> > pond?
>
>
> The only time I think this would be a truly good idea is when the
> pond happened to be stocked with Pirahna.
>
Or... 14 feet deep :-)
To keep this on topic, perhaps we should use an old mini instead of
concrete. Any nominations?
Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>
>>>>> "Tony" == Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> writes:
Tony> It's normally not too hard to modify the vertical scan rate
Tony> of a monitor (at least compared with doing a similar mod to
Tony> the horizontal side, which can be _very_ complex). Having a
Tony> schematic of the monitor helps a lot, though.
Tony> What monitor have you been using on your D'break?
I've been using a PAL mono monitor that I used with ZX
spectrum like machines. And modifying the scan rate was exactly what I
tried to do. I had a schematic of the monitor, all transistor, and
with careful twiddling of some resistors and capacitors I was able to
change both sync rates (HSYNC is more dangerous since it is coupled
with the fly-back converter that generates all those high voltages
needed to make electrons move).
Cheers,
--
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--- Jason McBrien <jbmcb(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Went on the grand tour of the area, came up with the following:
>
> Apple DuoDisk Drive
> Various and sundry cables
If you have a DuoDisk drive, can you check for a spare DuoDisk cable? I
think I have one that was modified for another use later (inconvenient
pin snipped off). I keep meaning to post the molded-in part number, and
now that I've opened my mouth, I guess I'll have to.
-ethan
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