How elderly is "elderly"? I tried a Mac SE, but it didn't have enough
memory. Would a Mac II work? I've been using a PowerMac. Is it OK to use
720K disks? Disk storage and capacity makes NO since to me.
Thanks,
Owen
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: Running GS/OS On an Apple IIgs
>When I did this I had to expand the files on an elderly macintosh to get
>usable disks. They each write out a disk image.
>
>
>>
>> I have been trying very hard to get GS/OS running on my Apple IIgs ROM 1.
I
>> downloaded the disk images from Apple, and the disk seems to duplicate OK
on
>> a 3.5" 720K DOS Disk, but I get an UNABLE TO LOAD PRODOS message on the
>> Apple IIgs. Does anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Owen
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Jim Strickland
>jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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>Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:29:38 -0400
>From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com>
>Subject: Helios Source (Was: RE: Jim Battle's SolACE: The next steps)
>
>In all this talk of Sols, I recall that Stan Sokolow had finally
>managed to wrestle the source code to the Helios disk OS away from
>whomever it was who ended up with the PTC IP rights.
I have the source for the resident portion, and am sending it to Jim soon.
I do have the Helios Owner's manual and Repair Manual, as well as a
(supposedly) working Helios and lots of 8" disks and software for it. (Why
don't I have it up and running? A l-o-n-g story.... But perhaps this
fall...)
And, yup, I have the zero-crossing fix. Thanks.
Bob Stek
Saver of Lost SOLs
Some of you may have seen my recent post about being able to
restore data from very old 9-track magtape. Although I seem
to have lost some 8080 assembly code I wrote (and some I didn't
write but did laboriously type in), I was successful in getting
the old Intel cross-development software back.
The three programs are the Mac-80 Cross [Macro] Assembler, the
Interp-80 software simulation of the MCS-80 8080 CPU, and the
PLM-80 compiler (a two-pass monster).
Now, the PLM80 compiler Fortran source has been available on the
Digital Research archive and its mirrors for some time now. But
I spent quite a bit of time with these three programs, fixing
bugs and providing some minimal extensions. I am assuming I
migrated the fixes and extensions to the Prime ports of this
code. If so, then what I've got should be preferred over other
copies (I'd ported these to the DEC-10 and the CDC6600 as well).
So, as soon as I have a way to get stuff off the Prime and onto
a PC, I'll upload them to my web storage area, and provide links
so anyone interested can download them.
I hope I didn't waste my time doing this; I searched high and low
on the web for Mac80 and Interp80, to no avail.
regards,
-doug quebbeman
> I am glad that Jim has released his Sol emulator (if you didn't see his
> message look at http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/solace.html) He has done
a
> fantastic job - Sol owners and Sol-wanna-be owners owe him a tremendous
debt
> of gratitude for making the Sol live again. His web site already has a
very
> good collection of both usable software and documentation (much of
> generously shared by many list members).
I was quite blown away by what I found. Sounds like what you've mentioned
below, when added to it, will improve it another step, and I suppose I'll
have to match your hand and fill in the remaining gaps with my moldy old
stuff.
> I propose to make it even better. I have begun OCR'ing and pdf'ing the
> paper documentation I have. And I have just compiled a tape to send Jim
> (including such goodies as Microsoft BASIC for the Sol, MSA BASIC, 8080
> Checkers, Computer Mart of NJ Dynamic Debugging System, Electric Pencil,
and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ooo, I remember wanting to get that, I guess it'll be easier now!
> With Jim's approval I am willing to act as a clearinghouse for any and all
> donations of programs and documentation to be made available on Jim's
> website. I would prefer originals (with the understanding that I will
VERY
> carefully copy and return them) or good, clean copies of any ProcTech Sol
> programs and documentation which are not already available on his site. I
> will catalog, research, annotate, OCR, PDF, convert, etc. whatever I can
and
> transfer same to Jim for inclusion on his site. I will try to track down
> copyright holders and even make this stuff legit (if necessary).
Either this weekend, or one two weeks hence, I'll see if I can find my tapes
and dust off the SOL and get copies made of each and get them to you. Bob,
did you add the zero-crossing fix to your casette interface?
Do you have the SOL manual scanned and converted to PDF? I'll be making
five photocopies of the one I'll be selling on E-Bay in a few days, and
I can scan any pages I might have that you might not have, and forward
them to you.
Wow, I wish there was this much interest in Primes!
-doug q
I am glad that Jim has released his Sol emulator (if you didn't see his
message look at http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/solace.html) He has done a
fantastic job - Sol owners and Sol-wanna-be owners owe him a tremendous debt
of gratitude for making the Sol live again. His web site already has a very
good collection of both usable software and documentation (much of
generously shared by many list members).
I propose to make it even better. I have begun OCR'ing and pdf'ing the
paper documentation I have. And I have just compiled a tape to send Jim
(including such goodies as Microsoft BASIC for the Sol, MSA BASIC, 8080
Checkers, Computer Mart of NJ Dynamic Debugging System, Electric Pencil, and
others). (okay, okay, so there may be some copyright issues here! But
putting those aside....) I can OCR and PDF documentation. I can repair
(some) cassette tapes (the pressure pad often comes unglued, but Radio Shack
has repair kits) and make backup copies on new cassettes. But I can't do
what Jim can do. Jim has already designed and hosted the website I only
dreamed of. I would prefer that he spent his time on improving and
extending SolACE. So here's the deal ...
With Jim's approval I am willing to act as a clearinghouse for any and all
donations of programs and documentation to be made available on Jim's
website. I would prefer originals (with the understanding that I will VERY
carefully copy and return them) or good, clean copies of any ProcTech Sol
programs and documentation which are not already available on his site. I
will catalog, research, annotate, OCR, PDF, convert, etc. whatever I can and
transfer same to Jim for inclusion on his site. I will try to track down
copyright holders and even make this stuff legit (if necessary).
Obviously I am an extreme example of a Sol nut. But I do think that the Sol
played a pivotal role in the evolution of personal computers, and it
deserves a chance to shine again nearly 25 years later. This is an example
of a little project that the classiccmp list is in a unique position to help
along. So how about it? Go out to that storage shed, dig deep in that
cellar, see what you can find. Check out Jim's website, and if he doesn't
have what you have, then drop me a line. I'll let you know if it is
something I am already working on or not.
Note to Sellam: might make a nice freebie for the VCF - I bet Jim could
provide SolACE and program or two, and I'd be willing to do a little
write-up about ProcTech and Sol. I can see the advertising now: Attend the
VCF and receive your very own 8080 Sol computer!
I have been trying very hard to get GS/OS running on my Apple IIgs ROM 1. I
downloaded the disk images from Apple, and the disk seems to duplicate OK on
a 3.5" 720K DOS Disk, but I get an UNABLE TO LOAD PRODOS message on the
Apple IIgs. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks,
Owen
Ummm, I have most of an 8/i, not enough for it to work though.. no docs,
software, tty, etc. though.
Will J
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> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> > Um, before you do that, please know that is is most probably illegal to
> > send such a substance through the mail. I'd check with the post office
> > and different carriers before you just sent a bottle of that stuff off.
>
> Excellent suggestion... not to mention the possible illegality of
> shipping it. One never know's what it's illegal to to transport
> between states; just the other day, I learned that it's a federal
> crime to send or sell someone, in certain states, water hyacinths for
> a pond, for example.
Uh.... a thing which is illegal in one state but legal in another
cannot, by definition, be a federal crime. There are grey areas,
like the Mann Act, which deal with transporting minors across
state lines, but each state can define "minor" differently.
Did you mean "felony"? Or were you referring to how the establishment
acts about it when you commit it? That, I *do* understand...
-dq
