test-drb July 2000

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by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I've seen a document that described SmallTalk and thought it still looks better than anything I've seen up to now; I think you're right about the Star though, from what I remember of the Horn/Raskin discussion. I knew Bruce Horn he was one of the SmallTalk developers though, dunno why I didn't mention it. cheers > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Quebbeman [mailto:dhquebbeman@theestopinalgroup.com] > Sent: 14 July 2000 13:58 > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: RE: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > I have it on good authority that Smalltalk-80 was not ported > to the Star. > It was running on the Alto and the Dolphin at the time, as > well as another > Xerox workstation whose name I can't recall. Larry Teslar was > working at > PARC at the time, and ended up following Jobs back to Apple, because > Xerox couldn't get their asses in gear and Apple looked like it knew > what it was doing (w/r/t getting new technology out the door). > > For those interested in what Smalltalk-80 feels like to play with, you > should try Squeak, a successor developed by some of Smalltalk-80's > authors, Alan Kay and Dan Ingalls, at Disney. Squeak is everything > ST80 was and more. > > You can find info about Squeak at: http://www.create.ucsb.edu/squeak/

25 years

Apple II keep list

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

I've just got a load of boards etc from the bloke who runs the Apple Retrospective website; I know there's CoPro boards/serial boards/80 column cards/drive boards etc but haven't inventoried it all yet. That's a handy list to have.... Machines in the same haul: ][+, ][ Europlus, ][c (US version with 3.5" floppy), ][gs actually signed AND dedicated by Woz, a pair of ///s, boxed RANA external floppy, external floppy ///, ICE HD unit, ProFile and more books/floppies/original software/cards than I've been able to count yet. Imagine my horror when I was hit by another car bringing it all home! It all survived though, except the keyboard on one of the ///s, but it's repairable I hope. Pix on the museum site at www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk if anyone's interested, plus some Lisa bumf since I'm not obsessed with that machine at all, oh no. :o) > -----Original Message----- > From: John R. Keys Jr. [mailto:jrkeys@concentric.net] > Sent: 09 July 2000 01:42 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Apple II keep list > > > I have printed off your list and will carry it with me in the > van on my > hunting trips. > John Keys > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:26 AM > Subject: Apple II keep list > > > > Mikes generalized Apple II keep list, kindly correct me for dumb > stuff. > > > > Systems > > They have to be pretty nice looking, systems with school ID engraved > an > > inch high on the front are not desirable. > > Apple II, the orginal machine > > Apple II+, still not too common > > Not the IIe, sorry parts only, too many of them. > > IIgs, not rare, but people still actively use them more > than any other > II. > > Look for Woz editions and rom 3. > > IIc, cute and complete systems with monitor still sell for > $35 or so. > > IIc+, more powerfull than the IIc, but in some ways less collectible > (no > > idea why), still $45 for a complete system is fairly common. > > > > Drives (mostly I mean external) > > Any external hard drive, or even case. > > DuoDisk floppy drives (two drives in a box) with cable. > > Unidisk floppy drives > > White IIc drives > > 400k floppy drives > > 1.44 MB floppy drives > > > > Keyboards > > A9M0330 is the IIgs original keyboard, and VERY popular > because it is > the > > smallest mac keyboard (and its the original. > > Any mac keyboard, I even pile broken ones in a box for parts. This > comes > > from actually paying $169 for one once. > > > > Mice > > Early DB9 mice, M0100 with the black ball retaining ring is the > original. > > All the mice too. > > > > Misc > > IIc LCD display > > IIc 9" green monitor AND matching stand. > > Kensington system saver fans. > > > > Cards and other innerds > > Accelerator boards, Applied Engineering Transwarp about the most > desired. > > Fast SCSI cards, much faster, only card that supports > removable media. > > Apple Rev C SCSI cards, but much less so than Fast SCSI. > > Workstation cards > > Vulcan hard drive inside power supply > > Focus IDE drive on a card > > Anything curious > > I/O controller cards (for later floppy drives) > > Mouse cards for IIe > > > > > > >

25 years

Another tech legend for discussion!

by agraham＠ccat.co.uk

>From what I've been reading in the last couple of months it was neither - both Steve Jobs and Gates toured Xerox PARC in the late 70s; Lisa at this point was already in development but needed a front end so the Lisa team took some of the ideas from Smalltalk running on the Xerox STAR and improved on them to develop the QuickDraw primitives found in Lisa. Gates apparently got more ideas from when Microsoft were at Apple while Apple were helping them develop software for the Mac that was being worked on at the same time. 2 of the main developers of the Mac platform were Bruce Horn and Jef Raskin, their side of things can be found here: http://www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=lisa.html Follow the link at the bottom of the screen. Makes for interesting reading IMO! > -----Original Message----- > From: David Vohs [mailto:netsurfer_x1@hotmail.com] > Sent: 08 July 2000 21:37 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Another tech legend for discussion! > > > I have another tech legend to be dicussed: > > It is generally believed that the Apple Lisa is what spurred > Bill Gates to > create Windows. But recently I have read something that says > it was *not* > the Lisa that inspired Bill Gates, but that it was VisiCorp's VisiOn > software (remember that, yeah, me neither!). So my question > is: Which one > was it? Was it Lisa or VisiOn? > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

25 years

More Links Added to the VCF Link Library!

by vcf＠siconic.com

Over 150 links have been newly added to the VCF Link Library. The Apple and Amstrad sections have been beefed up considerably. Cool site of the night: Beagle Bros Online Museum http://www.panic.com/~stevenf/beagle The VCF Link Library is at: http://www.vintage.org/cgi-bin/links.pl Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

25 years

PDP 8/I stuff

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Mike Cruse <mcruse(a)acm.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I finally take delivery of my PDP 8/I next week. It comes with a couple of > tape drives and a high speed paper tape reader. > > I'm am now looking for anything PDP 8/I related including books, paper tapes, > peripherals (especially an ASR33 teletype) I may have mentioned this already, but since you have a high-speed paper tape reader, you can get by with a VT220 as a 20mA terminal. I swap one off of my PDP-8/L to save paper when playing around. 95% of the tapes I have are fan-fold. One of the ones that isn't is a floating point package for 8K paper tape BASIC that I need to load Star Trek, and at the moment, my 8K expander box is not attached. It's not authentic, but it _is_ convenient. BTW, is there a good modern source for the Mate-n-Lok connectors that wre in common usage for 20mA cables? I'd like to make a switchbox. -ethan ===== Even though my old e-mail address is no longer going to vanish, please note my new public address: erd(a)iname.com The original webpage address is still going away. The permanent home is: http://penguincentral.com/ See http://ohio.voyager.net/ for details. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

25 years

Helios Source (Was: RE: Jim Battle's SolACE: The next steps)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

In all this talk of Sols, I recall that Stan Sokolow had finally managed to wrestle the source code to the Helios disk OS away from whomever it was who ended up with the PTC IP rights. Altough it was proprietary in lots of ways (hard sectored 8" drives, IIRC), it was a decent design. Anyone got it?

25 years

Jim Battle's SolACE: The next steps

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> If you go to > > http://www.thebattles.net/sol20/soldocu.html > > you'll find chapters 7, 8, and 9 are already OCR'd and PDF'd. Well, I missed that when I first checked out your site. How cool, you've got the Access newsletter I used to have (don't know what happened to them), the BASIC/5 manual (ditto). What I see you don't have is the Trek-80 manual; you have a space for the Popular Electronics article; do you need me to scan that for you (I do have it)? I also have the smaller document package that came with what I initially bought, the Sol-PCB, for <drumroll please> $40. However, its location on the basement floor was a bad place to be during a flood, and the individual pages are glued together by mold or lordknows. Some carefull soaking may allow me to separate them. I'll try to inventory everything tonight, and compare it to what you've listed. Great work, Jim! -dq

25 years

Fw: NEC APCIII

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Here some more stuff that needs saving. Please the gentleman directly. Thanks John John Keys ----- Original Message ----- From: bill57 <bill57(a)uswest.net> To: <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: NEC APCIII > Hi John. Sorry that I have not been in touch for a while. > Here is a list of all the stuff I have laying around. > > NEC APCIII with monitor, keyboard, and NEC Pinwriter P7. > With this I have 4 extra printer ribbons, 1 large box of 5 > 1/2" floppys with assorted software. 1 box of manuals for > the printer, keyboard, and computer. NEC APCIII manuals, > MS-DOS Macro Assembler, GW-Basic Users Guide still in > wrappers. Gw-Basic Guide for the Software Library Expander, > MS-DOS Programers Reference Manual, MS-DOS Guide for the > Software Library Expander, MS-DOS Users Guide/GSX-86 Users > Guide, IBM DOS 2.10 Users Manual. Some software that is with > the computer is Lotus 1-2-3 release 1a, RBASE 5000, D5 > Backup version 2.4 1985 in case with manual,Chessmaster > 2100, at least 80 floppys. Other software that has never > been opened are, Lotus 1-2-3 release 2.2 Server > edition,lotus 1-2-3 release 4 Spreadsheet for DOS, Lotus > Freelance Graphics for DOS with Outliner from Symantec > Server Edition, Lotus Symphony release 3 Server edition. > Other items that I have are, 1 dead Lexmark Execjet IIc 4076 > printer, 1 Teac 5 1/2" floppy drive FD-55GFR, 1 Seagate > ST-238R hard drive, 1 Sony 2MB model#MP-F75W-11G floppy > drive, 1 286 Motherboard from Datatech, 1 Cetrum Systems > West Serial port card P/N 10322 rev.D 1985, 1 WDC 1985 > WD1003-WA2 IDE card, 1 Data Tech Co. P/N 10-00345 IDE card, > 1 Seagate ST-225 hard drive, 1 old modem card ISA 1988, 1 > Foxcomm ISA card MG-180 rev.A with 1 serial & 1 parralel > port, ! unknown card dated 1991 with 1 IDE connection & 1 > floppy drive connection with printer port, 1 Matsushita 5 > 1/2" floppy drive 1987, 1 Toshiba 5 1/2" floppy drive, 1 > Winchester drive card 1987, 1 dirty old 386 motherboard 1987 > american Megatrends, 1 Mitsumi D503 5 1/2" floppy drive, and > some other unknown cards. I also have an Irwin 120/250mb > external tape backup in original box with some tapes, 3 old > computers that are either 286 or 386's. 1 is a Cyclone that > is basically intact, and 2 Express' that are somewhat > cannibalized, 1 Sony 3 1/2" floppy drive MP-F51W-23, 1 > Trident video card ISA 1993, 1 USR modem 1989, and 3 1meg 30 > pin memory from L.A. Components, a small assortment of books > from Unisys. > > I hope this is helpful to you. I did the best that I could > to be thorough. Please let me know if you are interested in > all of this and/or what it may be worth to you. To be > totally honest with you, my wife wants me to get rid of some > of this stuff. I am not a greedy person, but I do know I > want something for it all. > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > Bill Jungbauer > >

25 years

CBM Plus/4 malfunctioning...can anyone help?

by retro＠retrobits.com

Greetings, I've got a Commodore Plus/4 that's not working quite right. When I turn it on, it does power up, but doesn't boot to BASIC. Instead, it "breaks" into the machine language monitor. The following is displayed: BREAK PC SR AC XR YR SP ;8008 B5 08 00 00 FF Looks like one of the chips is fried, but which? My initial guess is either the Kernal ROM or BASIC interpreter is shot. Any guesses? And does anyone know where I can find some Plus/4 spare parts? :-) Thanks and best regards, Earl Evans retro(a)retrobits.com

25 years

Running GS/OS On an Apple IIgs

by mrdos＠swbell.net

Thanks for the info! I was just about ready to throw my GS out the window. How much do you want for your GS, and what kind of stuff comes with it? Do I really need 2 megs of RAM to run GSOS? I have a manual for an Apple IIGS with 1 meg, and it shows lots of happy people using GSOS. Thanks, Owen -----Original Message----- From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Running GS/OS On an Apple IIgs >I used an SE30 with expanded memory. 720k double density disks are exactly >the right kind. I would expect any mac that can still read and write 800k >mac disks to be able to do the job, so the Mac II probably would work. > >You can also get gsos either preloaded on a hard disk (from allelec.com) >or on floppies from http://www.shrevesystems.com/apple2.html > >You'll want a hard disk for gsos. You *can* boot from floppy, but it's not >very useful. The hard disks allelec.com sells are called focus hard cards, >and they're quite nice. And at 69 bucks US it's hard to beat. > >You'll also need at least 2 megs of RAM to run GSOS. If you seriously want >to get into this stuff, I have a GS with a 4 meg memory board and lots of other >useful stuff (no OS though, unfortunately) I'm looking to get rid of, and will >sell for very little money. E-mail me privately and we can work something out. > > >> >> How elderly is "elderly"? I tried a Mac SE, but it didn't have enough >> memory. Would a Mac II work? I've been using a PowerMac. Is it OK to use >> 720K disks? Disk storage and capacity makes NO since to me. >> >> Thanks, >> Owen > >-- >Jim Strickland >jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > BeOS Powered! >-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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